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Postby Hammer Industries » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:48 pm

As much as I enjoy the thought of a revived space program, we have more important things to deal with here. Not saying we should just scrap any and all space related projects, but i don't think a space program of a large magnitude is really required or beneficial on a large scale.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:49 pm

America has a space program?
Seriously though, more funding and incentive for private company is required for any real progress.

Hammer Industries wrote:As much as I enjoy the thought of a revived space program, we have more important things to deal with here.

Like... maintaining lolmassive army for when Canada invades US? NASA budget is minuscule compared to defence budget, when NASA is much more important.
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Postby The Corparation » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:19 pm

Hammer Industries wrote:As much as I enjoy the thought of a revived space program, we have more important things to deal with here. Not saying we should just scrap any and all space related projects, but i don't think a space program of a large magnitude is really required or beneficial on a large scale.

Yep. Not a single damn one of these has been beneficial or helped humanity on a large scale.
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Postby Ivenas » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:43 pm

It is very bad that the space program is being neglected. It receives far to little funding. Some quick facts: For every tax dollar, NASA receives four tenths of a penny. The financial bailouts a few years ago were more money than NASA has spent in its 50 year history.

On another note (still space related) Curiosity has found many calcium sulfate rich bands in the rock which appear to be gypsum, a mineral that forms from water flowing through cracks in rocks.
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Postby Indira » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:50 am

New Albrionn wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Just have everyone on earth play Mass Effect 1. That will get everyone interested in space exploration.


I think we need something like the Systems Alliance, a vast international resource pool devoted to space exploration. Each nation could contribute as much as they are willing to spare. Since every nation has a stake and can contribute funding, the program wouldn't be dependent on the whims of a handful of powerful governments, and it can draw talent from countries that can't have their own space program. It would also increase efficiency by avoiding the duplication of effort each individual national progam has to do.


You know, that's actually the best idea for the future of space travel I've seen on this thread so far

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Postby Risottia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:59 am

Indira wrote:
New Albrionn wrote:
I think we need something like the Systems Alliance, a vast international resource pool devoted to space exploration. Each nation could contribute as much as they are willing to spare. Since every nation has a stake and can contribute funding, the program wouldn't be dependent on the whims of a handful of powerful governments, and it can draw talent from countries that can't have their own space program. It would also increase efficiency by avoiding the duplication of effort each individual national progam has to do.


You know, that's actually the best idea for the future of space travel I've seen on this thread so far


There's already such a program. It's called ESA.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:19 am

Sovjet Union wrote:My Military is integrated into my space agency
I have a far superior military


First, this forum is OOC. Second, your idea isn't really that original. IC, most of the FT nations, have the same thing. Its like you saying that you created your own unique food by putting meat and cheese and other random shit between two slices of bread.

Hammer Industries wrote:As much as I enjoy the thought of a revived space program, we have more important things to deal with here. Not saying we should just scrap any and all space related projects, but i don't think a space program of a large magnitude is really required or beneficial on a large scale.


You don't seem to realize that many problems here on Earth can be solved by the solutions to problems that need to be solved in space.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:53 am

Since the Death Star petition was rejected, who cares?
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:37 am

Big Jim P wrote:Since the Death Star petition was rejected, who cares?

Who actually cared about the Death Star petition?

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:15 am

Unless Obama gets his shit together, the US Space Program will fall far behind other nations.
Russia especially.

To those who think that the economy comes first, let me remind you that NASA creates jobs. In essence it's a government sanctioned work program like the kind of FDR used to help get us out of the depression. Only this time instead of making parks we get to go to space.

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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:18 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Unless Obama gets his shit together, the US Space Program will fall far behind other nations.
Russia especially.

To those who think that the economy comes first, let me remind you that NASA creates jobs. In essence it's a government sanctioned work program like the kind of FDR used to help get us out of the depression. Only this time instead of making parks we get to go to space.

Government spending can help fix the economy!

This is the only thing we'll ever agree on.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:18 am

Divair wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Since the Death Star petition was rejected, who cares?

Who actually cared about the Death Star petition?

Star Wars fans, so about 50 or 60% of the country.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:31 am

Divair wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Since the Death Star petition was rejected, who cares?

Who actually cared about the Death Star petition?


Everybody with a sense of humor.
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:32 am

Big Jim P wrote:Everybody with a sense of humor.

So close to zero people?

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:11 am

Divair wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Everybody with a sense of humor.

So close to zero people?


Apparently.
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:15 am

Divair wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Since the Death Star petition was rejected, who cares?

Who actually cared about the Death Star petition?

I did. Had the Administration started work on a Death Star it would of jump started the economy and created hundreds of millions if not billions of jobs.
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:15 am

The Corparation wrote:
Divair wrote:Who actually cared about the Death Star petition?

I did. Had the Administration started work on a Death Star it would of jump started the economy and created hundreds of millions if not billions of jobs.

You mean trillions.

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Postby Norstal » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:17 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Unless Obama gets his shit together, the US Space Program will fall far behind other nations.
Russia especially.

To those who think that the economy comes first, let me remind you that NASA creates jobs. In essence it's a government sanctioned work program like the kind of FDR used to help get us out of the depression. Only this time instead of making parks we get to go to space.

Government spending can help fix the economy!

NASA has made strives despite its budget cuts. How did Russia get ahead than the U.S in terms of space exploration, precisely?

I mean, I knew people who got hired by JPL. So although they might not be swimming in money, they're not exactly sinking either.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:11 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Divair wrote:Who actually cared about the Death Star petition?


Everybody with a sense of humor.


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Postby Immoren » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:16 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Everybody with a sense of humor.


Humor is five thousand leagues beneath any great leader. Stone hard pragmatism and martial boldness leaves no room for the silly and malignant practices of laughter.


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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:22 pm

Norstal wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Unless Obama gets his shit together, the US Space Program will fall far behind other nations.
Russia especially.

To those who think that the economy comes first, let me remind you that NASA creates jobs. In essence it's a government sanctioned work program like the kind of FDR used to help get us out of the depression. Only this time instead of making parks we get to go to space.

Government spending can help fix the economy!

NASA has made strives despite its budget cuts. How did Russia get ahead than the U.S in terms of space exploration, precisely?

I mean, I knew people who got hired by JPL. So although they might not be swimming in money, they're not exactly sinking either.


At present, Russia is the only nation capable of transporting people into space. As a Great Souled American, we find this unacceptable.
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Postby Divair » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:31 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Norstal wrote:NASA has made strives despite its budget cuts. How did Russia get ahead than the U.S in terms of space exploration, precisely?

I mean, I knew people who got hired by JPL. So although they might not be swimming in money, they're not exactly sinking either.


At present, Russia is the only nation capable of transporting people into space. As a Great Souled American, we find this unacceptable.

You forgot China.

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Postby The Corparation » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:33 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Norstal wrote:NASA has made strives despite its budget cuts. How did Russia get ahead than the U.S in terms of space exploration, precisely?

I mean, I knew people who got hired by JPL. So although they might not be swimming in money, they're not exactly sinking either.


At present, Russia is the only nation capable of transporting people into space. As a Great Souled American, we find this unacceptable.

If you notice though, the ability to send people up to the ISS in a Soyuz is really the only unique capability that Russia has going for it. They don't have the funds to do much of anything else, whereas NASA has all of these. There is more to space exploration than just sending people. Right now Russia isn't really doing anything or going anywhere other than the ISS, and a few satellites in LEO. NASA is still ahead of every other space program out there in terms of what it's doing and the scope of its missions. The Loss of manned spaceflight capabilities is a temporary setback We've been without manned flight before, we had nothing between when Skylab ended in 74 and the Shuttle Columbia first flew in 82. NASA didn't stop than and it won't stop now.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:34 pm

To be perfectly frank, I find shooting research probes to assorted planets rather more impressive than launching men into orbit.

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