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Postby Choronzon » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:27 am

Saint Louie wrote:
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Lets see, a dime bag is anywhere from 10-15 USD. Do the math, and you can see how much it could cost you if you tried to buy a pound...proce also depends on the grade and type

A dime bag is by definition 10 USD. Thus "dime" bag....

This is really not the place for this conversation.

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Postby Sarkhaan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:30 am

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Sarkhaan wrote:That...just...no.

Adding more of something that is "psychologically addictive" (that is, a compulsion and not an addiction) does not make it more addictive.

Adding more sugar to my cereal doesn't make it more addictive.

Cannabis is a minimally-addictive mix of chemicals (ranked lowest of cannabis, caffeine, cocaine, alcohol, heroin and nicotine). THC is only one of these, and by itself is less addictive than the total content of the cannabis bud. Cocaine is a highly addictive substance. It is more addictive in isolation than all of the chemicals in the coca leaf mixed together.


You're talking about physical and psychological addiction as if they're same thing. You should not do that.

No, I'm not. That's actually the exact opposite of what I did. Hence why I stated that the phrase "psychological addiction" is a poor misnomer for behavioral compulsions rather than addiction. "psychological addiction" doesn't exist...you are addicted or you are not. You have skewed brain chemicals as a result of frequent, pervasive, and disruptive use of a chemical, or you don't.

We may treat behavioral compulsions as addictions, but that's a different issue.

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Postby Aurumaquaria » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:30 am

I don't care if Marijuana killed you upon first usage. If people want to kill themselves, let them.

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Postby The Oan Isles » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:33 am

Marijuana is obviously not harmless but it should be given legality when in medicinal uses obviously regulated by state legislation and scientific research and as a last resort.

Governments should not only fund police campaigns, create new narcotics laws and establish educational facilities but also create clinics which have a medicinal "clean" marijuana which defects the addiction.

Thank you Evil Lord Bane for the enlightening information that was touching.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:37 am

Aurumaquaria wrote:I don't care if Marijuana killed you upon first usage. If people want to kill themselves, let them.

U bein' silly, SON.

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Postby Aurumaquaria » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:38 am

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Aurumaquaria wrote:I don't care if Marijuana killed you upon first usage. If people want to kill themselves, let them.

U bein' silly, SON.


The government has a responsibility only to protect you from other people, not yourself.

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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:40 am

Aurumaquaria wrote:
Esternial wrote:U bein' silly, SON.


The government has a responsibility only to protect you from other people, not yourself.

Yeah but marijuana isn't Russian roulette, it isn't going to kill you instantly.

Unless you drive under a bus, in which case it's the bus. Unless you've been smoking a busload of maijuana, in which case you should probably lie down and prepare for the colours...but not on the road.

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Postby Aurumaquaria » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:43 am

Esternial wrote:
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The government has a responsibility only to protect you from other people, not yourself.

Yeah but marijuana isn't Russian roulette, it isn't going to kill you instantly.

Unless you drive under a bus, in which case it's the bus. Unless you've been smoking a busload of maijuana, in which case you should probably lie down and prepare for the colours...but not on the road.


You're missing the point. I'm not saying marijuana instantly kills you, I'm just saying that using whatever potential harmfulness of it or any drug as a means to outlaw it is absurd. I don't believe in a nanny state that tells people how to live their own lives. So what I'm saying is that regardless of how harmful marijuana is, it shouldn't be illegal for personal usage.

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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:45 am

Aurumaquaria wrote:
Esternial wrote:Yeah but marijuana isn't Russian roulette, it isn't going to kill you instantly.

Unless you drive under a bus, in which case it's the bus. Unless you've been smoking a busload of maijuana, in which case you should probably lie down and prepare for the colours...but not on the road.


You're missing the point. I'm not saying marijuana instantly kills you, I'm just saying that using whatever potential harmfulness of it or any drug as a means to outlaw it is absurd. I don't believe in a nanny state that tells people how to live their own lives. So what I'm saying is that regardless of how harmful marijuana is, it shouldn't be illegal for personal usage.

I concur. Pretty much everything is 'harmful' for us 'poor widdle pweeople' these days.

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Postby Horsefish » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:07 am

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Medical =/= recreational. There's a difference between taking a prescribed medication and popping pills. One is necessary and acceptable, the other is unnecessary and potentially harmful, thus a poor choice.

It's your right, of course, just like it's my right to jump in front off a bridge. Doesn't mean it's a good idea though.

Nothing personal, you understand, I just find the recreational use of potentially dangerous or addictive substances to be a rather dumb thing to do.


It's more the phrasing you used. Someone undertaking a 'dumb' choice=/=unintelligent.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:27 am

Esternial wrote:
Aurumaquaria wrote:
You're missing the point. I'm not saying marijuana instantly kills you, I'm just saying that using whatever potential harmfulness of it or any drug as a means to outlaw it is absurd. I don't believe in a nanny state that tells people how to live their own lives. So what I'm saying is that regardless of how harmful marijuana is, it shouldn't be illegal for personal usage.

I concur. Pretty much everything is 'harmful' for us 'poor widdle pweeople' these days.

The long term effects will make everyone elses healthcare insurance bills and taxes go up.
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Postby Klesh » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:31 am

Evil Lord Bane wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/hash-oil-causes-blast-hurts-3-near-seaworld-091131677.html

We told you kids this stuff is dangerous.


Klesh speaks!

Pretty well known butane is dangerous. Says it on label.

Klesh has spoken!

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Postby Sarkhaan » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:33 am

greed and death wrote:
Esternial wrote:I concur. Pretty much everything is 'harmful' for us 'poor widdle pweeople' these days.

The long term effects will make everyone elses healthcare insurance bills and taxes go up.

Depending upon dosing method, this simply isn't true.

Inhaling any organic smoke increases risk of cancer. However, studies since the 70's have demonstrated that THC in particular, and cannabinoids in general, shrink tumors and suppress new tumor appearance by constricting the feeder blood vessels and capillaries. This would largely be a wash, and with newer electronic smoking devices, could largely be fixed.

I'm not sure how use of intoxicants would result in generally higher taxes on the population. Particularly in a country without social medicine.

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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:34 am

Evil Lord Bane wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/hash-oil-causes-blast-hurts-3-near-seaworld-091131677.html

We told you kids this stuff is dangerous.

Hash oil =/= weed.

From your source...

"Hash oil is made by packing finely ground stems and leaves of marijuana plants in a pipe and pouring butane through it."

Yeah man. The butane had nothing to do with that explosion!
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Postby Chronic Hypersomnia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:41 am

MY first girlfriend got int omarijauna when we was 9 She dieds Not even onces
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:15 pm

Chronic Hypersomnia wrote:MY first girlfriend got int omarijauna when we was 9 She dieds Not even onces

Sauce it. Really sauce it. Bring some nachos. And cheese burgers. And broccoli.

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:29 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Horsefish wrote:
Ah, cheers. Nice to know I'm unintelligent, along with all the people who've taken drugs.

You also don't "allow" yourself to become addicted to something, it's something that occurs. It's not something that shows moral weakness or anyhting like that.


Well, are you still taking them? If so, then yes, you are. Using potentially addictive substances that impair your mind, body or judgement on a regular basis is not the behavior of a genius.

It's really quite simple. I don't take anything I know to be addictive. If I find myself addicted, I have done something stupid, or made a mistake, and seek to rectify it immediately.

Let me try that....
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