To Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Christian Scientists!

[Kashindahar]

First you have to establish that there is an official word of god. This is still awaiting some sort of positive evidence.

You don't have to establish that something definately exists to establish the possibility of something existing.

[The Isle of Biscay]

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion.

That's your opinion, anyway.

How can it be anything other than opinion? What is your opinion?

It can be other than opinion by being the word of god. It's your opinion that it isn't, it is not objective fact that it isn't.

My opinion is irrelevant to this discussion.

You are claiming "the word of God" to be objective? LOL.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that it might be the word of God. I don't think I said that anything was "objective", anyway.

Firstly, it was written down subject to the person writing it, and translated subjectively, thereafter.

So what?

And the idea of the Bible being objective is also an opinion.

No. It's a possibility, not an opinion.

Well good, then clearly you must be open to the possibility that the Bible is wrong, and the possibility that homosexuality is normal and not inherently wrong.

In which case.. Presuming that possibility, how can it be fair to oppress homosexuals in any way?

[Treznor]

First you have to establish that there is an official word of god. This is still awaiting some sort of positive evidence.

You don't have to establish that something definately exists to establish the possibility of something existing.

The possibility of something existing doesn't justify basing moral codes on it, like opinions about homosexuality. I can claim the possibility that I'm going to win the Powerball tomorrow, but acting on that assumption just makes me an idiot.

People are entitled to base their opinions on whatever fantasy that choose, but that doesn't make them correct. Sometimes it's best to acknowledge that a cigar is just a cigar, and people base their bias against homosexuals on their own personal bigotry.

[New Azura]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

No one is a worse sinner from the other. God loves ALL His Children, and we are all sinners of equal compare, because sin is sin no matter what incarnation it takes. Race or Gender has absolutely nothing to do with it at all, nor does a disability (I'm considered disabled by the State of North Carolina myself). So God has nothing to do in that. No Christian should condemn, nor do we have the power to do so. Everything must be done in love, and it's man, not God that can inject attitude, bigotry, and hatred into it. If this happened, then I just pray that you hold MAN accountable as your message suggests, and not God.

If you were excommunicated from the LDS Church because of your bisexuality, then here's what I can tell you. I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

If you ever want to talk about stuff, feel free to telegram me. God bless, and may the Lord be with you, always!

[Treznor]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

If you were excommunicated from the LDS Church because of your bisexuality, then here's what I can tell you. I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

If you ever want to talk about stuff, feel free to telegram me. God bless, and may the Lord be with you, always!

Why in the world would she want to talk to someone who is biased against her nature?

[Flameswroth]

a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl

I missed this the first time around. Definitely confirms OP as either a troll, or making up a story to make a point.

[Domminus]

a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl

I missed this the first time around. Definitely confirms OP as either a troll, or making up a story to make a point.

I think this is the objective, but I'm still not sure what that point is.

This is the second attempt in the past few days.

[Neo Art]

a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl

I missed this the first time around. Definitely confirms OP as either a troll, or making up a story to make a point.

I think this is the objective, but I'm still not sure what that point is.

This is the second attempt in the past few days.

no no, she totally broke a dude's shins on her wheelchair.

[Domminus]

no no, she totally broke a dude's shins on her wheelchair.

That guy's totally gonna be the bitch in prison when that story gets around.

[The Alma Mater]

Does that answer your question ?

[Flameswroth]

no no, she totally broke a dude's shins on her wheelchair.

That guy's totally gonna be the bitch in prison when that story gets around.

lol definitely

Burly Redneck Inmate: So, lemme git this straight; yer a dude what got 'is shins broked by one-a them lezbosexual, trannified mutt wimmen inna wheelychair?
Guy: Um yeah...
Burly Redneck Inmate: *undoes his button fly* Imma call yew 'Shirley'...

Wait...why's he going to prison again?

[Domminus]

no no, she totally broke a dude's shins on her wheelchair.

That guy's totally gonna be the bitch in prison when that story gets around.

lol definitely

Burly Redneck Inmate: So, lemme git this straight; yer a dude what got 'is shins broked by one-a them lezbosexual, trannified mutt wimmen inna wheelychair?
Guy: Um yeah...
Burly Redneck Inmate: *undoes his button fly* Imma call yew 'Shirley'...

Wait...why's he going to prison again?

You'll just have to find the thread, read, and think about it for yourself.

I'm not, ahem, hijacking this... thread.

[New Azura]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

If you were excommunicated from the LDS Church because of your bisexuality, then here's what I can tell you. I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

If you ever want to talk about stuff, feel free to telegram me. God bless, and may the Lord be with you, always!

Why in the world would she want to talk to someone who is biased against her nature?

"If you ever want to talk about stuff" implies if she wants to talk about STUFF, anything in particular. I have to ask you, do you meticulously pick out ideas from my posts just to be arguing, because I cannot in good faith understand the necessity of it in this circumstance. I said quite clearly:

I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

I pray that God would reveal to her how He, not I or the world or Jim Bob Jones the Televangelist would have her live. My interpretation of Scripture is my own, and hers is her own. If she wanted me to clarify my position, then she could ask. If she wanted to know what I thought about the Curse of Ham like we're talking about in the other post, she could ask. If she wanted someone to pray for a need, she could ask. Bolding parts of my quote and then ignoring the other parts is a fine tactic on the internet, but it kind of misses the overall point, doesn't it?

I could have said something mean in response to this, or antagonistic rather, but I don't want to start a flame war because it's wrong, and because I understand that I'm the goat of the forums because of my beliefs. But at the end of the day, that's cool, because we're here and we can talk when we want to.

[Treznor]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

If you were excommunicated from the LDS Church because of your bisexuality, then here's what I can tell you. I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

If you ever want to talk about stuff, feel free to telegram me. God bless, and may the Lord be with you, always!

Why in the world would she want to talk to someone who is biased against her nature?

"If you ever want to talk about stuff" implies if she wants to talk about STUFF, anything in particular. I have to ask you, do you meticulously pick out ideas from my posts just to be arguing, because I cannot in good faith understand the necessity of it in this circumstance. I said quite clearly:

I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

Precisely. You would feel compelled to point out Scripture that tells her that everything she knows about herself is wrong, and only through the bigoted salvation of your God will she be saved. I'm pretty sure this would then begin anew the cycle that got her allegedly kicked out of those other religions that have the same opinion about it. I'm not seeing the upside for her.

I pray that God would reveal to her how He, not I or the world or Jim Bob Jones the Televangelist would have her live. My interpretation of Scripture is my own, and hers is her own. If she wanted me to clarify my position, then she could ask. If she wanted to know what I thought about the Curse of Ham like we're talking about in the other post, she could ask. If she wanted someone to pray for a need, she could ask. Bolding parts of my quote and then ignoring the other parts is a fine tactic on the internet, but it kind of misses the overall point, doesn't it?

If God didn't want her to live that way, then why would he make her the way she is? It's like you're praying to God to convince her that she should hate herself for what she is, and seek repentance for something she has no control over. Very loving of you.

I could have said something mean in response to this, or antagonistic rather, but I don't want to start a flame war because it's wrong, and because I understand that I'm the goat of the forums because of my beliefs. But at the end of the day, that's cool, because we're here and we can talk when we want to.

That's my point: you don't perceive how it can be mean or hurtful. That doesn't mean that what you've suggested here doesn't achieve that purpose anyway.

[New Azura]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

If you were excommunicated from the LDS Church because of your bisexuality, then here's what I can tell you. I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

If you ever want to talk about stuff, feel free to telegram me. God bless, and may the Lord be with you, always!

Why in the world would she want to talk to someone who is biased against her nature?

"If you ever want to talk about stuff" implies if she wants to talk about STUFF, anything in particular. I have to ask you, do you meticulously pick out ideas from my posts just to be arguing, because I cannot in good faith understand the necessity of it in this circumstance. I said quite clearly:

I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

Precisely. You would feel compelled to point out Scripture that tells her that everything she knows about herself is wrong, and only through the bigoted salvation of your God will she be saved. I'm pretty sure this would then begin anew the cycle that got her allegedly kicked out of those other religions that have the same opinion about it. I'm not seeing the upside for her.

I pray that God would reveal to her how He, not I or the world or Jim Bob Jones the Televangelist would have her live. My interpretation of Scripture is my own, and hers is her own. If she wanted me to clarify my position, then she could ask. If she wanted to know what I thought about the Curse of Ham like we're talking about in the other post, she could ask. If she wanted someone to pray for a need, she could ask. Bolding parts of my quote and then ignoring the other parts is a fine tactic on the internet, but it kind of misses the overall point, doesn't it?

If God didn't want her to live that way, then why would he make her the way she is? It's like you're praying to God to convince her that she should hate herself for what she is, and seek repentance for something she has no control over. Very loving of you.

I could have said something mean in response to this, or antagonistic rather, but I don't want to start a flame war because it's wrong, and because I understand that I'm the goat of the forums because of my beliefs. But at the end of the day, that's cool, because we're here and we can talk when we want to.

That's my point: you don't perceive how it can be mean or hurtful. That doesn't mean that what you've suggested here doesn't achieve that purpose anyway.

I didn't mean to her. I was talking about saying something mean to you.

[Zoharland]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

Why are you so keen on making everyone accept you as you are, even knowing that If they follow their own morals and teachings from those religions they probably won't?

Why is being transgendered such a big deal to you? Does it make you feel special, are you really outraged that not everyone likes your life choices? Get over yourself and stop calling people ignorant because they may not think nicely of you, or because your and their morals clash.

[Femeria]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

No one is a worse sinner from the other. God loves ALL His Children, and we are all sinners of equal compare, because sin is sin no matter what incarnation it takes. Race or Gender has absolutely nothing to do with it at all, nor does a disability (I'm considered disabled by the State of North Carolina myself). So God has nothing to do in that. No Christian should condemn, nor do we have the power to do so. Everything must be done in love, and it's man, not God that can inject attitude, bigotry, and hatred into it. If this happened, then I just pray that you hold MAN accountable as your message suggests, and not God.

If you were excommunicated from the LDS Church because of your bisexuality, then here's what I can tell you. I personally believe that having relations with a member of the same sex to be a sin, based on my interpretation of Scripture. But you see, there's that word again, interpretation. At the end of the day, I wont love you as a sister in Christ any less than I would now. I may not agree with your lifestyle, and I could point to the Scripture references where I base that conclusion, but only you can fully choose how to live your life, and your salvation is between you and God. I can only pray that in all things, God would place conviction on your heart to live your life according to His will.

If you ever want to talk about stuff, feel free to telegram me. God bless, and may the Lord be with you, always!

anyone else feel the atmosphere of a good ole' lynching? lol. This kinda jesus talk has always been slightly scary to me even with its good message. When you start basing your morals on what your imaginary friend who only you can "hear" or "see" tells you. Its way too easy for you or a "religious authority" to corrupt it into "BURN EM ALL".

[Helertia]

Christian Science? Isn't that a large a oxymoron as "First Class to Cleveland?"

[Tunizcha]

Christian Science? Isn't that a large a oxymoron as "First Class to Cleveland?"

Or "A Warm Summer Day in Birmingham".

[Muravyets]

Oh, burn! You know that's the wrong school, you vicious so-and-so. (S&B is Yale, isn't it?)

I, um, I did go to Yale dear

Oh, sorry. I thought you had only polluted Harvard's ivied halls.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Why are you so keen on making everyone accept you as you are, even knowing that If they follow their own morals and teachings from those religions they probably won't?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QW-QGhg ... re=channel

[South East Europe]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

I thought you said you were an atheist?

I am an atheist, that's why.

[South East Europe]

Why do you keep joining religions whose viewpoints are obviously in conflict with your own?

I didn't know that until I was excommunicated.

[South East Europe]

Why do you believe that God fucked up when he made you?

Why do you expect people who believe that God doesn't fuck up to believe that it's God who fucked up in making you and not you who are the fuckup for not accepting God's work?

If God exists: I do not believe that god fucked up when he made me, God made me exactly as I am. I accept his work in making me every aspect of what I am today.

[South East Europe]

LOL... well, lemmie see...
I've killed (well, in self defense, but let's just list this for completeness).
Committed adultery (fornication).
Stolen, been disrespectful to my parents, taken the Lord's name in vein and have been less than diligent in my seeking fellowship of other Christians.

The thing is, I am genuinely sorry for what I've done, and I endeavor not to repeat my mistakes.
I don't have sex with anyone but my wife. I try to be respectful to my father and mother (though I don't always succeed) and I've begun going back to church. I've still got a dirty mouth, but I'm getting a bit better. I'm not a model Christian by any means... but God still loves me.

If you are genuinely sorry for what you do that is sinful making efforts to end your sinful practices, then you are doing what it takes. God even tells you that you'll never be perfect- just forgiven.
If you don't try to correct the defects with real regret and sorrow in your heart, then you're not getting anywhere. Of all you mentioned, only 'bisexual' sets off alarms in my head. A Christian can't accept being 'bisexual'; homosexuality is inherently sinful.

I am sorry for the sin's I have done, however homosexuality is not a sin. Homosexual acts are a sin. I'm attracted to females and males because, if God exists, God made me female and male.