To Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Christian Scientists!

[Bavin]

Are you what some call an 'emergent christian,' by any chance?

I had to look up the term, so I do not think so. I tend to think of myself as existential, universalist unitarian. You know, a libertarian Christianity.

So you belive that Martin Luther's and (un)St. Thomas Aquinas's philosophies of Christianity are wrong?

[Femeria]

Personally i'm an atheist for reasons more than just the classic "forsaken flock". But I would have to say if all these churches wont accept you why go to them? Do you need someone with a white collar or big hat to tell you that god loves you? do you need a giant useless church to kneel down in and pray? Believe what you believe and stand alone whether with or without god. Groups are easy corrupted and and confused to believe in whatever their told. Search for yourself and you might just find a better answer.

[Bavin]

Personally i'm an atheist for reasons more than just the classic "forsaken flock". But I would have to say if all these churches wont accept you why go to them? Do you need someone with a white collar or big hat to tell you that god loves you? do you need a giant useless church to kneel down in and pray? Believe what you believe and stand alone whether with or without god. Groups are easy corrupted and and confused to believe in whatever their told. Search for yourself and you might just find a better answer.

So you believe in a Creator? If you do, you aren't an atheist.

[Tunizcha]

Personally i'm an atheist for reasons more than just the classic "forsaken flock". But I would have to say if all these churches wont accept you why go to them? Do you need someone with a white collar or big hat to tell you that god loves you? do you need a giant useless church to kneel down in and pray? Believe what you believe and stand alone whether with or without god. Groups are easy corrupted and and confused to believe in whatever their told. Search for yourself and you might just find a better answer.

So you believe in a Creator? If you do, you aren't an atheist.

That would be non-denominational Theist or Deist, depending on how much of a personal god this is.

[Bavin]

Personally i'm an atheist for reasons more than just the classic "forsaken flock". But I would have to say if all these churches wont accept you why go to them? Do you need someone with a white collar or big hat to tell you that god loves you? do you need a giant useless church to kneel down in and pray? Believe what you believe and stand alone whether with or without god. Groups are easy corrupted and and confused to believe in whatever their told. Search for yourself and you might just find a better answer.

So you believe in a Creator? If you do, you aren't an atheist.

That would be non-denominational Theist or Deist, depending on how much of a personal god this is.

I believe that is right...

[Femeria]

Personally i'm an atheist for reasons more than just the classic "forsaken flock". But I would have to say if all these churches wont accept you why go to them? Do you need someone with a white collar or big hat to tell you that god loves you? do you need a giant useless church to kneel down in and pray? Believe what you believe and stand alone whether with or without god. Groups are easy corrupted and and confused to believe in whatever their told. Search for yourself and you might just find a better answer.

So you believe in a Creator? If you do, you aren't an atheist.

That would be non-denominational Theist or Deist, depending on how much of a personal god this is.

I believe that is right...

Nope dont believe in a god, religion is way too destructive for me to join that bunch. I'd rather be an infidel lol. I consider myself a secular humanist

[Maurepas]

Meh, Ive always wanted to set the underwear on fire, tbqh,

Id take it as a prime opportunity to drop the invisible pink unicorn anyway...

[Buxtahatche]

Of all you mentioned, only 'bisexual' sets off alarms in my head. A Christian can't accept being 'bisexual'; homosexuality is inherently sinful.

If its sinful why does it exist? Either Yahweh can't control it, or he condones it. And if he can't control it, what use is it for us to control it?

I say Yahweh because as an atheist, referring to your god by his title is rather annoying. You don't call Obama President.

Uhm... if you read the Bible very literally, God prefers not to be spoken of in direct address... just one of His little quirks.

And I do call Obama the President or rather, President Obama.
I just don't call him a good president (or anyone else that's been president since I was in grade school for that matter).

[Saint Jade IV]

Why would you, a "mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl", even bother joining a church like the three you mentioned when they openly admit that transexuals and bisexuals are not welcome in their ranks? Except to cause problems and whine when you get kicked out?

[RightLeaningChristians]

Why would you, a "mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl", even bother joining a church like the three you mentioned when they openly admit that transexuals and bisexuals are not welcome in their ranks? Except to cause problems and whine when you get kicked out?

Maybe so they can help her leave her sinful ways?

[Saint Jade IV]

Why would you, a "mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl", even bother joining a church like the three you mentioned when they openly admit that transexuals and bisexuals are not welcome in their ranks? Except to cause problems and whine when you get kicked out?

Maybe so they can help her leave her sinful ways?

Considering the rant the OP went on, I don't think she wants to leave her "sinful" ways. I think she wants to be a member of the club without following the rules.

[Getbrett]

Why would you, a "mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl", even bother joining a church like the three you mentioned when they openly admit that transexuals and bisexuals are not welcome in their ranks? Except to cause problems and whine when you get kicked out?

Maybe so they can help her leave her sinful ways?

Considering the rant the OP went on, I don't think she wants to leave her "sinful" ways. I think she wants to be a member of the club without following the rules.

Don't be silly, the OP is simply a (rather inconsistent, looking at their posting history) troll. Catholic? Black? Hispanic? Polish? Lesbian? Bisexual? Disabled? Feverishly conservative? Feverishly liberal? They've claimed to be a combination of these at various times.

[Bottle]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

"True Christians" are very often racist, sexist, and homophobic. Don't kid yourself. Their interpretation of the Bible is every bit as legitimate as yours. They are 100% right when they point out that the Bible explicitly states that people of certain races are inferior, that women are inferior, and that certain sexual practices are worse than murder (note: rape is not considered terribly wicked, however!).

You are wrong for thinking you have any ground to stand on when you tell them they aren't Real Christians(tm). They are. Christianity does not in any way preclude racism, sexism, homophobia, and all manner of other jackassery. Christianity does not require superior moral sense, or superior kindness, or superior compassion, or anything else. And you've no more reason to think that Christ will save you and let you into heaven than they have for thinking that Christ hates you for the sin of being what you are.

The reality is that religion is purely what people make of it. Christianity is a loving and giving religion, and also a hateful and destructive religion. Christian morality is welcoming and charitable, and also exclusionary and bigoted. Your version isn't any more "real" than any of the zillions of other versions out there.

[Ismon]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

Maybe join a religion you agree with, or rather logically determine what or where the spiritual truth is and then act accordingly. What is the point of joing a religion, violating it's tenets and then demanding that in the interests of equality and tolerance the world owes you special treatment because you are 'different'.

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

Maybe join a religion you agree with, or rather logically determine what or where the spiritual truth is and then act accordingly. What is the point of joing a religion, violating it's tenets and then demanding that in the interests of equality and tolerance the world owes you special treatment because you are 'different'.

Because that wouldn't get her any attention.

[Flameswroth]

A quick browsing of the topic has revealed that, unless I missed it somewhere, the OP really hasn't posted since his first post. And considering that it takes more than 'differing beliefs' to get excommunicated from most religions, I'm gonna say this must be some troll stuffs in response to the other thread on here at the moment.

If not OP, prove me wrong by stating the exact reasoning behind each excommunication, not using vagueness in saying, "I differed in how I interpreted scripture".

[Domminus]

A quick browsing of the topic has revealed that, unless I missed it somewhere, the OP really hasn't posted since his first post. And considering that it takes more than 'differing beliefs' to get excommunicated from most religions, I'm gonna say this must be some troll stuffs in response to the other thread on here at the moment.

If not OP, prove me wrong by stating the exact reasoning behind each excommunication, not using vagueness in saying, "I differed in how I interpreted scripture".

/shrug

Knowing something about each of these religions, and the invented terms in the OP, I'm fairly certain this story is about on par with the "I totally ran down and broke the legs of this guy with my super-powered power wheelchair" story.

[The Isle of Biscay]

...Of all you mentioned, only 'bisexual' sets off alarms in my head. A Christian can't accept being 'bisexual'; homosexuality is inherently sinful.

Being Bisexual or Homosexual is not a choice. Rather it was seen as an obstruction to the order of society back when the bible was written by a couple of control-obsessed "men of the church" who wished to oppress certain groups of people. Whilst their intentions may have suited the times the bible was written, they do not all suit now, and never was there any divinity in their proclamations. Their opinions do not dictate the way we should live. And the values and morals upheld by laws of state already existed but do thankfully change as society does.

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion. It most definitely is not my opinion.

[Kashindahar]

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion.

That's your opinion, anyway.

[The Isle of Biscay]

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion.

That's your opinion, anyway.

How can it be anything other than opinion? What is your opinion?

[Kashindahar]

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion.

That's your opinion, anyway.

How can it be anything other than opinion? What is your opinion?

It can be other than opinion by being the word of god. It's your opinion that it isn't, it is not objective fact that it isn't.

My opinion is irrelevant to this discussion.

[The Isle of Biscay]

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion.

That's your opinion, anyway.

How can it be anything other than opinion? What is your opinion?

It can be other than opinion by being the word of god. It's your opinion that it isn't, it is not objective fact that it isn't.

My opinion is irrelevant to this discussion.

You are claiming "the word of God" to be objective? LOL. Firstly, it was written down subject to the person writing it, and translated subjectively, thereafter. And the idea of the Bible being objective is also an opinion.

[Domminus]

You are claiming "the word of God" to be objective? LOL. Firstly, it was written down subject to the person writing it, and translated subjectively, thereafter. And the idea of the Bible being objective is also an opinion.

It is deemed objective by the person who espouses it as fact, and any argument that it's subjective to them is utterly worthless and a waste of air (or electrons, as the case may be).

It's subjectively objective.

[Treznor]

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion.

That's your opinion, anyway.

How can it be anything other than opinion? What is your opinion?

It can be other than opinion by being the word of god. It's your opinion that it isn't, it is not objective fact that it isn't.

My opinion is irrelevant to this discussion.

First you have to establish that there is an official word of god. This is still awaiting some sort of positive evidence.

[Kashindahar]

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is only opinion.

That's your opinion, anyway.

How can it be anything other than opinion? What is your opinion?

It can be other than opinion by being the word of god. It's your opinion that it isn't, it is not objective fact that it isn't.

My opinion is irrelevant to this discussion.

You are claiming "the word of God" to be objective? LOL.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that it might be the word of God. I don't think I said that anything was "objective", anyway.

Firstly, it was written down subject to the person writing it, and translated subjectively, thereafter.

So what?

And the idea of the Bible being objective is also an opinion.

No. It's a possibility, not an opinion.