To Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Christian Scientists!

[Jingoist Hippostan]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

Why do you believe that God fucked up when he made you?

Why do you expect people who believe that God doesn't fuck up to believe that it's God who fucked up in making you and not you who are the fuckup for not accepting God's work?

And why do you continue spewing that bullshit about running over a knife wielding bigot when it's so obviously false?

Because she desperately, desperately wants our attention, as evidenced by the "mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl" and the existence of this thread.

[Cosmopoles]

Why don't you join a church that conforms to your lifestyle, rather than expecting the church that you join to adapt in order to accomodate you?

I mean, other than the fact that doing so wouldn't give you an excuse to create another totally convincing thread for everyone to read.

[Scotus Anonymous]

Why don't you join a church that conforms to your lifestyle, rather than expecting the church that you join to adapt in order to accomodate you?

I mean, other than the fact that doing so wouldn't give you an excuse to create another totally convincing thread for everyone to read.

I'm telling you man, she needs to go Raelian.

They love bisexuals, they love trans people, and they advocate cloning her new legs.

Seriously.

[Rhodmhire]

Ambitious men twisting religion into a scheme of control and power, news at eleven.

This just about sums up the current situation(s).

[Ravenvalles]

The intolerance of the organized Christian churches unintentionally creates independent Christian theologians. Many of us have turned away from the church to study the teachings of Jesus. The organized Christian religions are about the power, and survival of the organization. The individual does not matter. They attract and hold those who need someone to tell them right from wrong. Paul wrote that is hard to put aside the law and live in grace, and that is just as true now as then. Unfortunately, many people can not live without a strict set of rules, and practices that they must follow. This gives them security, and the organization rewards their behavior with status and power. This is basic sociology.

I would sugest that if you are ready to step outside the organisations, and it sounds as if you are. Find fellowship with good people of any religion. If you are strong in your faith in God then you will find a lot more in common with them, than with the sheeples. Paul wrote that the law is for the weak, do not hold it against them, just make yourself stronger.

A good book on the subject of the spirit of Christianity is John Shelby Spong's book, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism. It is full of good information on the history of the Bible, and the spiritual messages found there. A real eye opener.

What makes you think that love is sinful? Love one another, and love God above all, Isn't that the Christian commandment?

[Autotelic]

I've been shunned from the Amish because of something my great-grandfather did. However, even though I consider them Christians (although a bit misguided) that doesn't make me turn against God or Christianity. It is a cool story to use when asked, "tell me something unique about yourself" in those stupid getting to know you things on the first day of class.

[Tekania]

And in other news... Westboro Baptist Church announces that they hate "Fags"...

I mean, seriously... What would even be the point in wandering from one of those three groups to the other... They do not even have similar Christologies.... in fact, the only similarity they bear is in not being Trinitarian.... So I'll assume your next stop could be Oneness Pentecostal...

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

Considering none of what you said applies to me personally, I really can't say. I didn't do any of these things to you. I don't know the whole story - which I'm fairly certain you haven't presented in its entirety. And believe it or not, I'm not in a position to judge.

So ... best of luck, sorry you've had such a bad experience?

[Bavin]

Of all you mentioned, only 'bisexual' sets off alarms in my head. A Christian can't accept being 'bisexual'; homosexuality is inherently sinful.

If its sinful why does it exist? Either Yahweh can't control it, or he condones it. And if he can't control it, what use is it for us to control it?

I say Yahweh because as an atheist, referring to your god by his title is rather annoying. You don't call Obama President.

[Bunyippie]

and nothing of value has yet to be said ITT

[Blouman Empire]

Of all you mentioned, only 'bisexual' sets off alarms in my head. A Christian can't accept being 'bisexual'; homosexuality is inherently sinful.

If its sinful why does it exist? Either Yahweh can't control it, or he condones it. And if he can't control it, what use is it for us to control it?

I say Yahweh because as an atheist, referring to your god by his title is rather annoying. You don't call Obama President.

Actually they do, they call him Mr. President.

[RightLeaningChristians]

Sounds like God has given you alot of crosses to bear.

[Ravenvalles]

LOL... well, lemmie see...
I've killed (well, in self defense, but let's just list this for completeness).
Committed adultery (fornication).
Stolen, been disrespectful to my parents, taken the Lord's name in vein and have been less than diligent in my seeking fellowship of other Christians.

Sounds like bragging to me.

Of all you mentioned, only 'bisexual' sets off alarms in my head. A Christian can't accept being 'bisexual'; homosexuality is inherently sinful.

Of all of the proscribed activities in the old testament, why would you single that out. First that only violates a law of Moses (a civil code), not a law of God. Secondly, Paul taught the law is dead. Of most Christians I know, many of the laws of Moses have little sway in their lives. Pork is eaten, witches still live, and people who do not observe passover are not excommunicated. For some reason they cannot let go of the homosexual thing. I hate to tell you this, but to true Christians, homosexuality is just as wrong as eating bacon. It is not what goes in your mouth that matters, it is what comes out of it. Gods law is love, regardless.

[Kashindahar]

I hate to tell you this, but to true Christians, homosexuality is just as wrong as eating bacon.

I hear that True Christians are like True Scotsmen.

It is not what goes in your mouth that matters, it is what comes out of it. Gods law is love, regardless.

Ah, yes. God's law being love is why I'll go to hell because I don't believe in him, right?

[Ravenvalles]

I hate to tell you this, but to true Christians, homosexuality is just as wrong as eating bacon.

I hear that True Christians are like True Scotsmen.

It is not what goes in your mouth that matters, it is what comes out of it. Gods law is love, regardless.

Ah, yes. God's law being love is why I'll go to hell because I don't believe in him, right?

You can go where you want. If you find hell more comfortable feel free. The important thing is that God believes in you, God does not need you to believe in him.

[Kashindahar]

I hate to tell you this, but to true Christians, homosexuality is just as wrong as eating bacon.

I hear that True Christians are like True Scotsmen.

It is not what goes in your mouth that matters, it is what comes out of it. Gods law is love, regardless.

Ah, yes. God's law being love is why I'll go to hell because I don't believe in him, right?

You can go where you want. If you find hell more comfortable feel free. The important thing is that God believes in you, God does not need you to believe in him.

Then why am I going to hell because I don't believe in him or accept Christ as my saviour?

[Ravenvalles]

I hate to tell you this, but to true Christians, homosexuality is just as wrong as eating bacon.

I hear that True Christians are like True Scotsmen.

It is not what goes in your mouth that matters, it is what comes out of it. Gods law is love, regardless.

Ah, yes. God's law being love is why I'll go to hell because I don't believe in him, right?

You can go where you want. If you find hell more comfortable feel free. The important thing is that God believes in you, God does not need you to believe in him.

Then why am I going to hell because I don't believe in him or accept Christ as my saviour?

That is not the criteria. You have been listening to those who think homo=bad, but pig=yummy. They use prejudice for their own ends. To be a christian is to be Christ like, he did not see himself as God. He was a Jewish heretic, do you think he would put much stock in what those modern legalists say?

[Korintar]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

1) You are not. They also are sinners (Judge not lest ye be judged), as am I.
2) They are blasphemers.
3) Christ is merciful, perhaps?... however I do remember some comments concerning 'the least of these' that could cause issues come Judgement Day.

That said, my experience with conservative evangelicals and fundies has generally been positive- even if I disagree with their interpretation of Scripture.

[New Kereptica]

Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people?

Because you're being a dick about it.

[Korintar]

The intolerance of the organized Christian churches unintentionally creates independent Christian theologians. Many of us have turned away from the church to study the teachings of Jesus. The organized Christian religions are about the power, and survival of the organization. The individual does not matter. They attract and hold those who need someone to tell them right from wrong. Paul wrote that is hard to put aside the law and live in grace, and that is just as true now as then. Unfortunately, many people can not live without a strict set of rules, and practices that they must follow. This gives them security, and the organization rewards their behavior with status and power. This is basic sociology.

I would sugest that if you are ready to step outside the organisations, and it sounds as if you are. Find fellowship with good people of any religion. If you are strong in your faith in God then you will find a lot more in common with them, than with the sheeples. Paul wrote that the law is for the weak, do not hold it against them, just make yourself stronger.

A good book on the subject of the spirit of Christianity is John Shelby Spong's book, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism. It is full of good information on the history of the Bible, and the spiritual messages found there. A real eye opener.

What makes you think that love is sinful? Love one another, and love God above all, Isn't that the Christian commandment?

Are you what some call an 'emergent christian,' by any chance?

[Allbeama]

I have been excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day Saints, I have been disfellowshipped from the Jehovah World Order aka Jehovah World Organization, and I have been excommunicated from the Church of Christian Science. What was the reason? Believing god to be a loving creator and having a different opinion as to what scripture meant. True Christians, as you claim to be, are not so intolerant and ignorant. So, I have several questions to all of you Religious Fundamentalists out there. Why am I, a mixed-race, gender-variant, bisexual, disabled girl, a worse sinner then all of you who condemn and ridicule innocent people? Why do you believe that you know exactly what God is thinking? And, the final question, Why do you believe that Jesus will let you into his kingdom for being such intolerant and ignorant individuals?

None of the above mentioned are actually "Christian" in any way. They're separate and unrelated sects that take either a perversion or general derivation of the accepted canon.

My is there a hint of sectarian rage in the winds? "They are not true Christians, but merely heretics that blaspheme the Lord's name! They must be burned at the stake for defiling the Word and heeding false prophets! Heretics! Unbelievers! Blasphemy!"

[Bavin]

...witches still live,

Um, hate to break it to ya, but witches don't exist.

[Tunizcha]

...witches still live,

Um, hate to break it to ya, but witches don't exist.

I hate to break it to you, but I'm a witch. I weigh the same as a duck. Therefore, I am made of wood.

[RightLeaningChristians]

...witches still live,

Um, hate to break it to ya, but witches don't exist.

Tell that to the 10s and 20s of Wiccans out there.

[Ravenvalles]

The intolerance of the organized Christian churches unintentionally creates independent Christian theologians. Many of us have turned away from the church to study the teachings of Jesus. The organized Christian religions are about the power, and survival of the organization. The individual does not matter. They attract and hold those who need someone to tell them right from wrong. Paul wrote that is hard to put aside the law and live in grace, and that is just as true now as then. Unfortunately, many people can not live without a strict set of rules, and practices that they must follow. This gives them security, and the organization rewards their behavior with status and power. This is basic sociology.

I would sugest that if you are ready to step outside the organisations, and it sounds as if you are. Find fellowship with good people of any religion. If you are strong in your faith in God then you will find a lot more in common with them, than with the sheeples. Paul wrote that the law is for the weak, do not hold it against them, just make yourself stronger.

A good book on the subject of the spirit of Christianity is John Shelby Spong's book, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism. It is full of good information on the history of the Bible, and the spiritual messages found there. A real eye opener.

What makes you think that love is sinful? Love one another, and love God above all, Isn't that the Christian commandment?

Are you what some call an 'emergent christian,' by any chance?

I had to look up the term, so I do not think so. I tend to think of myself as existential, universalist unitarian. You know, a libertarian Christianity.