Revolution time! Adventure!

[King George Washington]

I'd Join the Revolution.... for funsies

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

It means "May Fascism prosper forevermore". Mussolini was a genius, the people of Italy prospered under his watch and he solved many issues such as the Mafia. He also bumped up welfare helping the poor and the economy prospered.

Google gave me something similar... Mussolini was an autocrat, brutal, verging on heartless. He was as brutal if not more than the Mafia, he stole people's rights, he played puppet to the Nazis. And the whole "treains running on time" thing was actually just a myth from what I've heard. The people of Italy were tormented and oppressed and rejoiced when American forces liberated Italy.

There were also many Italian loyalists who were loyal to Mussolini. Mussolini may have submitted to Nazi rule but only to protect Italy from German rule. The Italians were also helped via the government, as it nationalized big businesses and tried to give everyone jobs. It also helped out the poor. He did not take away democracy, Italy was a monarchy before.

[Libertarian California]

You may be right. But it would still result in a lot of bloodshed. The thing is, the Aztlan movement is an ethnic nationalist movement, and inherently racist, not unlike neo-Nazi groups, yet there are given less coverage and media attention.

Can I have a source, just out of curiosity, that proves that the Aztlan movement is inherently racist?

It's based upon ethnic nationalism, which is in and of itself, racist.

[New Sapienta]

Google gave me something similar... Mussolini was an autocrat, brutal, verging on heartless. He was as brutal if not more than the Mafia, he stole people's rights, he played puppet to the Nazis. And the whole "treains running on time" thing was actually just a myth from what I've heard. The people of Italy were tormented and oppressed and rejoiced when American forces liberated Italy.

There were also many Italian loyalists who were loyal to Mussolini. Mussolini may have submitted to Nazi rule but only to protect Italy from German rule. The Italians were also helped via the government, as it nationalized big businesses and tried to give everyone jobs. It also helped out the poor. He did not take away democracy, Italy was a monarchy before.

Had Italy joined the allies, Germany would have fallen even further, especially once the Eastern front opened up.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

There were also many Italian loyalists who were loyal to Mussolini. Mussolini may have submitted to Nazi rule but only to protect Italy from German rule. The Italians were also helped via the government, as it nationalized big businesses and tried to give everyone jobs. It also helped out the poor. He did not take away democracy, Italy was a monarchy before.

Had Italy joined the allies, Germany would have fallen even further, especially once the Eastern front opened up.

How could he have known Germany would be defeated?

[Farnhamia]

There were also many Italian loyalists who were loyal to Mussolini. Mussolini may have submitted to Nazi rule but only to protect Italy from German rule. The Italians were also helped via the government, as it nationalized big businesses and tried to give everyone jobs. It also helped out the poor. He did not take away democracy, Italy was a monarchy before.

Had Italy joined the allies, Germany would have fallen even further, especially once the Eastern front opened up.

And Italy would probably have gotten to keep Ethiopia and Libya.

[Ruridova]

Google gave me something similar... Mussolini was an autocrat, brutal, verging on heartless. He was as brutal if not more than the Mafia, he stole people's rights, he played puppet to the Nazis. And the whole "treains running on time" thing was actually just a myth from what I've heard. The people of Italy were tormented and oppressed and rejoiced when American forces liberated Italy.

There were also many Italian loyalists who were loyal to Mussolini. Mussolini may have submitted to Nazi rule but only to protect Italy from German rule. The Italians were also helped via the government, as it nationalized big businesses and tried to give everyone jobs. It also helped out the poor. He did not take away democracy, Italy was a monarchy before.

Italy could have become a democracy much sooner had it not been for him. The fact that mistreatment is continued does not make it justified.

And, if I remember correctly, proceeded to hang his corpse upside down half-naked from a gas station roof.

The only respectful way to bury him, clearly.

He deserved worse.

Can I have a source, just out of curiosity, that proves that the Aztlan movement is inherently racist?

It's based upon ethnic nationalism, which is in and of itself, racist.

I asked for a source. Can you provide a source?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

There were also many Italian loyalists who were loyal to Mussolini. Mussolini may have submitted to Nazi rule but only to protect Italy from German rule. The Italians were also helped via the government, as it nationalized big businesses and tried to give everyone jobs. It also helped out the poor. He did not take away democracy, Italy was a monarchy before.

Italy could have become a democracy much sooner had it not been for him. The fact that mistreatment is continued does not make it justified.

The only respectful way to bury him, clearly.

He deserved worse.

It's based upon ethnic nationalism, which is in and of itself, racist.

I asked for a source. Can you provide a source?

Democracy is a horrible system. It is a good thing Italy did not become democratic for so long.

[Ruridova]

Had Italy joined the allies, Germany would have fallen even further, especially once the Eastern front opened up.

How could he have known Germany would be defeated?

He didn't. No one did. There was real fear that they wouldn't. But that didn't prevent the UK and USSR and French Resistance and White Rose from fighting back in some way.

[Ruridova]

Italy could have become a democracy much sooner had it not been for him. The fact that mistreatment is continued does not make it justified.

He deserved worse.
I asked for a source. Can you provide a source?

Democracy is a horrible system. It is a good thing Italy did not become democratic for so long.

Democracy, in the words of Winston Churchill, is the worst system, except for all the rest. It is by the government being of, by, and for the people that the rights and prosperity of the people is maintained the best for the longest.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

How could he have known Germany would be defeated?

He didn't. No one did. There was real fear that they wouldn't. But that didn't prevent the UK and USSR and French Resistance and White Rose from fighting back in some way.

At that point the Nazis had a real chance of winning. Mussolini could have let Italy be invaded and most likely conquered or joined Hitler and extend Italian power.

[New Sapienta]

Had Italy joined the allies, Germany would have fallen even further, especially once the Eastern front opened up.

How could he have known Germany would be defeated?

Once the USSR broke in, an Italy-USSR front would be extremely draining on Germany.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

How could he have known Germany would be defeated?

Once the USSR broke in, an Italy-USSR front would be extremely draining on Germany.

But the USSR did not start fighting until after Italy joined.

[New Sapienta]

He didn't. No one did. There was real fear that they wouldn't. But that didn't prevent the UK and USSR and French Resistance and White Rose from fighting back in some way.

At that point the Nazis had a real chance of winning. Mussolini could have let Italy be invaded and most likely conquered or joined Hitler and extend Italian power.

He could have defected, and then allow allied troops to move through Italy rather then be invaded by them.

[Farnhamia]

Had Italy joined the allies, Germany would have fallen even further, especially once the Eastern front opened up.

How could he have known Germany would be defeated?

I thought he was a genius?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

At that point the Nazis had a real chance of winning. Mussolini could have let Italy be invaded and most likely conquered or joined Hitler and extend Italian power.

He could have defected, and then allow allied troops to move through Italy rather then be invaded by them.

And be invaded by the Axis for it?

[New Sapienta]

He could have defected, and then allow allied troops to move through Italy rather then be invaded by them.

And be invaded by the Axis for it?

He sure didn't compramise with the allies when he was invaded by them.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

And be invaded by the Axis for it?

He sure didn't compramise with the allies when he was invaded by them.

He intended to fight until the end for the glory of Italy.

[New Sapienta]

He sure didn't compramise with the allies when he was invaded by them.

He intended to fight until the end for the glory of Italy.

Then why did he not do the same against Germany?

[Ruridova]

He didn't. No one did. There was real fear that they wouldn't. But that didn't prevent the UK and USSR and French Resistance and White Rose from fighting back in some way.

At that point the Nazis had a real chance of winning. Mussolini could have let Italy be invaded and most likely conquered or joined Hitler and extend Italian power.

In 1939? In 1940? 1941? 1942? Churchill fought. De Gaulle fought. Stalin fought. The Scholl siblings(of the aforementioned White Rose) fought with words. Tito fought. Mussolini, obviously, was just afraid that the one thing he could hide behind- his military- wouldn't cut it.


What you've said -unintentionally, yes, but still- is that Mussolini abused his people and then cowered when put up against a challenge. A fake strongman.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

He intended to fight until the end for the glory of Italy.

Then why did he not do the same against Germany?

Because he was allied with Germany and Germany had a border with them.

[Ruridova]

He sure didn't compramise with the allies when he was invaded by them.

He intended to fight until the end for the glory of Italy.

Except by that point lots of Italians didn't like him, to the point where the invaders were welcomed as liberators. He fought not for Italy, not for its people, not for its glory, not for its future, but for himself and his reign.

He could have defected, and then allow allied troops to move through Italy rather then be invaded by them.

And be invaded by the Axis for it?

Yes. Someone who truly fought for the glory of his country wouldn't be such a downright coward.

[Farnhamia]

Then why did he not do the same against Germany?

Because he was allied with Germany and Germany had a border with them.

A border full of mountains. The French had no such protection and they went to war with Hitler.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

He intended to fight until the end for the glory of Italy.

Except by that point lots of Italians didn't like him, to the point where the invaders were welcomed as liberators. He fought not for Italy, not for its people, not for its glory, not for its future, but for himself and his reign.

And be invaded by the Axis for it?

Yes. Someone who truly fought for the glory of his country wouldn't be such a downright coward.

The Americans were not liberators. All they did was destroy Italy.

Italy would have been conquered.

[Ruridova]

Then why did he not do the same against Germany?

Because he was allied with Germany and Germany had a border with them.

France and Poland both bordered Germany too.


He was only allied with Germany because of an argument between him, the UK, and France over his invasion of Ethiopia.