No one wants to be Rich.

[Des-Bal]

And if you specifically target desperate people, who are willing to "agree" to anything to avert starvation, you can comfort yourself with the notion that you are being completely fair by offering them hideous working conditions and paying them far less than their work is worth in order to squeeze extra profits for yourself out of their toil.

Kind of like how if you come across a car wreck, you can get the trapped victims to "agree" that they will give you the deed to their home if you will help them get out of the flaming wreckage, and that makes it all totally fair!

If you don't like a deal don't make it. If you're saying that profiting from a deal is inherently wrong then society collapses.

[Mavorpen]

There was nothing relevant about your post. Nowhere did I say employees are interested in the company profits or the company is interested in creating jobsm

You created a false narrative where self-interest and creating jobs were incompatible. Creating jobs isn't the goal of businesses it's just inherent to their existence and success. They aren't trying to help the community but they invariably are.

Not if you read my post. I said that the libertarians create a contradicting worldview where being rich automatically makes you a job creator and where rich people just expand for the good of the community.

[Sibirsky]

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It ended it, Idiot's with credit card's caused it, Much like Bank's giving out loans Caused the shitstorm that was 2008, Guess who bailed out the Free Market BOTH times?

Blaming the state prevents you from having to supply actual arguments.

It's easier and quicker. Perfect for our Western mentality.

Right. The New Deal was not done by the state.

[Esternial]

Just because it's labor doesn't automatically make it fair and good labor.

Of course, most people here never have that problem, so I can understand your inability to relate.

Fair is relative, in my opinion anything you agree to is fair.

Here are two choices: I'll cut off your left hand or your right hand.

Pick one or lose both hands.

Fair choice ;3

[Bottle]

And if you specifically target desperate people, who are willing to "agree" to anything to avert starvation, you can comfort yourself with the notion that you are being completely fair by offering them hideous working conditions and paying them far less than their work is worth in order to squeeze extra profits for yourself out of their toil.

Kind of like how if you come across a car wreck, you can get the trapped victims to "agree" that they will give you the deed to their home if you will help them get out of the flaming wreckage, and that makes it all totally fair!

If you don't like a deal don't make it.

Ok. We don't accept your "deal" of ideology. Your proposed system is rejected.

We done here?

[Des-Bal]

Not if you read my post. I said that the libertarians create a contradicting worldview where being rich automatically makes you a job creator and where rich people just expand for the good of the community.

I know, that was what I was referring to. The fact is if you own a business that employes people you have created jobs, if you expand you help the community. The intent is irrelevant.

[Duvniask]

Fair is relative, in my opinion anything you agree to is fair.

Here are two choices: I'll cut off your left hand or your right hand.

Pick one or lost both.

Fair choice ;3

Take this rat poison or be eaten alive by lions. Fair choice

[Des-Bal]

Ok. We don't accept your "deal" of ideology. Your proposed system is rejected.

We done here?

Absolutely, you're welcome to leave at any time.

[Hippostania]

I thought that you liberals didn't like my "love it or leave it" rhetoric? Fine then, if you don't unconditionally love and support America, get the fuck out. Nobody is forcing you to live there..!

Some would say you're not in the position to say that.

The position being in America.

The same principle can be applied to any country.

[Yes Im Biop]

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It ended it, Idiot's with credit card's caused it, Much like Bank's giving out loans Caused the shitstorm that was 2008, Guess who bailed out the Free Market BOTH times?

Shouting does not make your argument correct.

We don't have free markets. Guess who prolonged the downturn both times?

Bank's, People who couldn't pay their mortgage's, People who don't pay Tax's.

[Mavorpen]

Not if you read my post. I said that the libertarians create a contradicting worldview where being rich automatically makes you a job creator and where rich people just expand for the good of the community.

I know, that was what I was referring to. The fact is if you own a business that employes people you have created jobs, if you expand you help the community. The intent is irrelevant.

No. FFS, read. Rich people don't randomly expand for no reason.

[Esternial]

Some would say you're not in the position to say that.

The position being in America.

The same principle can be applied to any country.

Indeed, which makes you free to tell me to get the fuck out of Finland.

America on the other hand: that would be a 'no'.

[Paixao]

Success is overrated, I'd rather be happy than successful, any day

[Des-Bal]

No. FFS, read. Rich people don't randomly expand for no reason.

No, they do it because they make more money. That doesn't change the fact that they expand.

[Duvniask]

Success is overrated, I'd rather be happy than successful, any day

But wouldn't being succesful in life make you happy? Provided it's done in a good way?

[Mavorpen]

If you don't want to pay taxes, you can leave the country and go to some place where you won't have to pay taxes. Become a pirate or move to somalia or something.
The burglary analogy is only valid if you're only burgled if you're a resident of a certain town, the money goes towards improving the town and your life, and you never have to be burgled because you can just leave.

I thought that you liberals didn't like my "love it or leave it" rhetoric? Fine then, if you don't unconditionally love and support America, get the fuck out. Nobody is forcing you to live there..!

We don't ask conservatives to love it.

We ask them to stop whining about "theft" while using the services of their supposed thieves, despite the fact no one is forcing them to live here.

[Esternial]

Not if you read my post. I said that the libertarians create a contradicting worldview where being rich automatically makes you a job creator and where rich people just expand for the good of the community.

I know, that was what I was referring to. The fact is if you own a business that employes people you have created jobs, if you expand you help the community. The intent is irrelevant.

Let's help the community by tossing out a few people from their homes so we can plant more banana trees.

[Mavorpen]

No. FFS, read. Rich people don't randomly expand for no reason.

No, they do it because they make more money. That doesn't change the fact that they expand.

Yes, they do it when there is more demand. More demand means more profit. How do you get more demand and consumption? You don't get it by shifting the tax burden to the poor and the middle class. Calling the rich "job creators" and using that as an argument for why they should be placed on a pedestal and for why they should get special privileges ignores why they are able to create jobs in the first place.

So again, you're not addressing my point at all.

[Paixao]

Success is overrated, I'd rather be happy than successful, any day

But wouldn't being succesful in life make you happy? Provided it's done in a good way?

That depends on what counts as "success".

Having a job that pays spectacularly (most would agree) is "success" but, to be quite honest, if I was stuck in an office for 70 hours a week then it wouldn't really make me very happy.

I'd rather make much less money and be happy than be hugely successful and unhappy

[Des-Bal]

We don't ask conservatives to love it.

We ask them to stop whining about "theft" while using the services of their supposed thieves, despite the fact no one is forcing them to live here.

If those third world workers don't want sweatshop jobs they should just move.

[Des-Bal]

Yes, they do it when there is more demand. More demand means more profit. How do you get more demand and consumption? You don't get it by shifting the tax burden to the poor and the middle class. Calling the rich "job creators" and using that as an argument for why they should be placed on a pedestal and for why they should get special privileges ignores why they are able to create jobs in the first place.

So again, you're not addressing my point at all.

Yes I am. We shouldn't shift tax burdens anywhere, just reduce them.

[Esternial]

We don't ask conservatives to love it.

We ask them to stop whining about "theft" while using the services of their supposed thieves, despite the fact no one is forcing them to live here.

If those third world workers don't want sweatshop jobs they should just move.

You don't understand how the third world works, even less so than me.

Get a grip on reality, get out of you lazy couch and try and relate to these people.

These people CAN'T move. Houses aren't omnipresent like in your cosy little world, and most don't have the resources to move.

[Riserland]

I don't want to be rich but that probably because I have an objection to exploiting innocent people for personal gain.

[Mavorpen]

We don't ask conservatives to love it.

We ask them to stop whining about "theft" while using the services of their supposed thieves, despite the fact no one is forcing them to live here.

If those third world workers don't want sweatshop jobs they should just move.

Because rich people who own million dollar corporations are definitely equivalent to sweatshop workers.

[Ethel mermania]

At least when it's the IRS, you are supporting the state. Not a guy who wants cocaine

Which then goes to a drug addict who then spends his welfare check on cocaine.

Because we all know people who get welfare spend their money so wisely. . . .

in nyc, housing and food money comes on debit cards, which can only be spent on non restaurant food, and housing.

they do get discresionary funds, but not all of it, and yes that portion of the money can be spent on hookers and cocaine.