No one wants to be Rich.

[Des-Bal]

Exploitation does not help the third world, it is its prison.

How is a first world company exploiting a third world laborer for cheap products any different than a third world laborer exploiting a first world company for a paycheck?

[Frisivisia]

Exploitation does not help the third world, it is its prison.

How is a first world company exploiting a third world laborer for cheap products any different than a third world laborer exploiting a first world company for a paycheck?

lolwut. I don't even...

[Des-Bal]

Don't use Gas, Don't use power, water, road's, food, ammo, T.V. Public transportation, and the Cell phone and land lines. Because Tax's pay to keep most of those Safe and running properly.

If I pay for something I intend to derive use from it whether or not I'm happy to be paying for it.

[Des-Bal]

lolwut. I don't even...

Exploitation is just using something for selfish purposes. Under analysis of our purposes are selfish.

[Esternial]

lolwut. I don't even...

Exploitation is just using something for selfish purposes. Under analysis of our purposes are selfish.

Except for the part the third world worker does more work for less money while the first world company bathes in the profits.

This 'reality' thing is hard sometimes, I know.

[Orcoa]

I rather not be Rich, too much stupid shit you have to go through and there is not a good chance of getting there.

I rather just be middle or upper middle class, have friends and family that I love, and enjoy the life that I was giving thanks to those before me.

[Frisivisia]

lolwut. I don't even...

Exploitation is just using something for selfish purposes. Under analysis of our purposes are selfish.

I don't even... What...

I don't know what to say. I really don't.

[Esternial]

Exploitation is just using something for selfish purposes. Under analysis of our purposes are selfish.

I don't even... What...

I don't know what to say. I really don't.

Close your eyes, it's all a dream.

Lolnoitsnot.

[Des-Bal]

Except for the part the third world worker does more work for less money while the first world company bathes in the profits.

This 'reality' thing is hard sometimes, I know.

More than what and less than what?

[Des-Bal]

I don't even... What...

I don't know what to say. I really don't.

You could attempt to respond, what in your opinon makes it exploitation.

[Esternial]

Except for the part the third world worker does more work for less money while the first world company bathes in the profits.

This 'reality' thing is hard sometimes, I know.

More than what and less than what?

More work than someone in a first world country in terms of labour and working hours.

Less than someone in a first world country in terms of money and benefits.

Do I need to spell everything out for you?

[Frisivisia]

I don't even... What...

I don't know what to say. I really don't.

You could attempt to respond, what in your opinon makes it exploitation.

I don't know how I would go about that, your point is just so... dumb.

[Bottle]

Exploitation does not help the third world, it is its prison.

How is a first world company exploiting a third world laborer for cheap products any different than a third world laborer exploiting a first world company for a paycheck?

Protip:

If you want people to buy into your ideology, you probably shouldn't try arguing that 9-year-olds in sweat shops are really the ones exploiting the factory owners by getting paid $0.50 a day.

Why is it that the brilliant advocates of the Free Market are so invariably shitty at marketing their own ideas?

[Esternial]

How is a first world company exploiting a third world laborer for cheap products any different than a third world laborer exploiting a first world company for a paycheck?

Protip:

If you want people to buy into your ideology, you probably shouldn't try arguing that 9-year-olds in sweat shops are really the ones exploiting the factory owners by getting paid $0.50 a day.

Why is it that the brilliant advocates of the Free Market are so invariably shitty at marketing their own ideas?

They pay others to do it.

Outsource their arguments.

[Yes Im Biop]

Capitalism also got us out of the great depression, after the unregulated state ruined the economy. Oh wait.

The state caused the Great Depression.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It ended it, Idiot's with credit card's caused it, Much like Bank's giving out loans Caused the shitstorm that was 2008, Guess who bailed out the Free Market BOTH times?

[Esternial]

The state caused the Great Depression.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It ended it, Idiot's with credit card's caused it, Much like Bank's giving out loans Caused the shitstorm that was 2008, Guess who bailed out the Free Market BOTH times?

Blaming the state prevents you from having to supply actual arguments.

It's easier and quicker. Perfect for our Western mentality.

[Des-Bal]

More work than someone in a first world country in terms of labour and working hours.

Less than someone in a first world country in terms of money and benefits.

Do I need to spell everything out for you?

So the fact that the availability of labor is irrelevant to the value of labor?

[Esternial]

More work than someone in a first world country in terms of labour and working hours.

Less than someone in a first world country in terms of money and benefits.

Do I need to spell everything out for you?

So the fact that the availability of labor is irrelevant to the value of labor?

Just because it's labor doesn't automatically make it fair and good labor.

Of course, most people here never have that problem, so I can understand your inability to relate.

[Des-Bal]

Just because it's labor doesn't automatically make it fair and good labor.

Of course, most people here never have that problem, so I can understand your inability to relate.

Fair is relative, in my opinion anything you agree to is fair.

[Sibirsky]

Irrelevant. Use of anything is not indicative of support.

Don't use Gas, Don't use power, water, road's, food, ammo, T.V. Public transportation, and the Cell phone and land lines. Because Tax's pay to keep most of those Safe and running properly.

I pay taxes. Those services are monopolized.

[Bottle]

Just because it's labor doesn't automatically make it fair and good labor.

Of course, most people here never have that problem, so I can understand your inability to relate.

Fair is relative, in my opinion anything you agree to is fair.

And if you specifically target desperate people, who are willing to "agree" to anything to avert starvation, you can comfort yourself with the notion that you are being completely fair by offering them hideous working conditions and paying them far less than their work is worth in order to squeeze extra profits for yourself out of their toil.

Kind of like how if you come across a car wreck, you can get the trapped victims to "agree" that they will give you the deed to their home if you will help them get out of the flaming wreckage, and that makes it all totally fair!

[Hippostania]

If a burglar enters your home and steals your money, that is theft. Why is it that when the burglar is called the IRS, and you are given jail time if you resist (as you rightfully should) it is okay?

If you don't want to pay taxes, you can leave the country and go to some place where you won't have to pay taxes. Become a pirate or move to somalia or something.
The burglary analogy is only valid if you're only burgled if you're a resident of a certain town, the money goes towards improving the town and your life, and you never have to be burgled because you can just leave.

I thought that you liberals didn't like my "love it or leave it" rhetoric? Fine then, if you don't unconditionally love and support America, get the fuck out. Nobody is forcing you to live there..!

[The Merchant Republics]

Yes. I do think it's a good idea.

Anyways, again you're misrepresenting the intention.

We aren't gleefully hoping for a return to child labour and quite happy to kick little Timmy into a mine-shaft.

Libertarians will defend child labour, in certain circumstances. Namely in third world nations, places where children seek employment because the alternative is starvation.

I'd greatly like a world where every child can be cared for by their parents and spend their days learning and playing. It's not universally true.

For children who are suffering or have fallen through the cracks, child labour offers opportunity, many of our own grandparents here in the West worked as young as 10 to supplement their parents income and they learned important skills which benefitted them for the rest of their lives.

For many third world children, an education simply has to be less important than their next meal and the roof over their head. It's pitiful that we must live in a world with orphans, and sick bed-ridden parents, and I would like just as much as anyone to be able to raise them from this poverty, but if we are threatening them with even greater poverty if we deny their communities child labour and their parent's sweatshops, as the wealth of their societies increases we will see less and less of them, but legislating them out of existence will only exacerbate poverty and cause more misery. By deny them the opportunity of work, we deny them self-improvement.

Exploitation does not help the third world, it is its prison.

1. It's not exploitation, exploitation involves coercion and beating. These things are what we hope to eliminate by bringing child and sweatshop labour out of the darkness. Where truly exploitative behaviours can be legally prevented.

2. True exploitation is the human trafficking and sex slave trade, and it is good intentions like "banning child labour" that drive the poor into these truly exploitative industries. Say what you will, I'd prefer a child in Bangladesh work making shoes, walk away richer and maybe one day be able to afford schooling. Than that same child being forced into the sex trade, either by necessity or corrupt individuals.

3. Your feelings on the issue are irrelevant (as are mine), the necessity of child labour in developing economies is a universally accepted economic fact, I'm not talking about a few Von Mises Scholars with too much pull, it is accepted by almost all schools of economics. From left-wing to right.

4. Child labour is certainly not a prison. It's just about the only opportunity these children have to escape poverty, in many cases they use it to fund education in the future. This is a universally recognized fact of economics. This is reflected in cold hard facts, children who are engaged in child labour grow up wealthier, healthier and less likely to need their own children to engage in child labour. Just look at the nations involved China, India, Mexico, Taiwan and Indonesia, all of these nations are developing quickly, indeed quicker than Western Europe and North America did in our own times. This is a universally accepted fact. You don't have to like it. I don't exactly smile gleefully when I think about children working ten hours building overpriced shoes. Yet I will smile when I realize that that child has opportunity his parent's never did, and will live a better life for it.

Use your head, consider the commercials of truly impoverished children, the lowest rungs of poverty in the third world. They are never the ones working in factories, their the ones living on subsistence farming, begging or picking through trash. Do you know why? Because the one's that are working don't make good poster children, they eat regularly, they have roofs over their heads. They can afford medication.

The disdain for sweatshop and child labour in the third world is, in my opinion nothing more than a latent racial prejudice; brown people don't know enough not to be exploited, they don't know that a few dollars a day is too little... Those poor stupid foreigners. The reality is these people are fully aware of their decisions, they choose child labour and sweatshops because they make their lives better.

Give them that much decent respect, the most important of all human rights dignity: not to be treated like a child who must be educated on the folly of their decisions like us proper and enlightened First Worlders.

[Sibirsky]

The state caused the Great Depression.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

It ended it, Idiot's with credit card's caused it, Much like Bank's giving out loans Caused the shitstorm that was 2008, Guess who bailed out the Free Market BOTH times?

Shouting does not make your argument correct.

We don't have free markets. Guess who prolonged the downturn both times?

[Esternial]

If you don't want to pay taxes, you can leave the country and go to some place where you won't have to pay taxes. Become a pirate or move to somalia or something.
The burglary analogy is only valid if you're only burgled if you're a resident of a certain town, the money goes towards improving the town and your life, and you never have to be burgled because you can just leave.

I thought that you liberals didn't like my "love it or leave it" rhetoric? Fine then, if you don't unconditionally love and support America, get the fuck out. Nobody is forcing you to live there..!

Some would say you're not in the position to say that.

The position being in America.