Scottish Independance. Great Idea or No Go?

[United States of Natan]

well, maybe if scotland increased it's trade, it's economy would not be that bad.

[Machtergreifung]

well, maybe if scotland increased it's trade, it's economy would not be that bad.

Dunno, we had a big thing with ships up till thirty years ago...

[Alimprad]

well, maybe if scotland increased it's trade, it's economy would not be that bad.

Dunno, we had a big thing with ships up till thirty years ago...

u mean britian did, specificly england

[Tagmatium]

Dunno, we had a big thing with ships up till thirty years ago...

u mean britian did, specificly england

No, he said and meant "Scotland".

Because it did.

As, admittedly, did other parts of the UK, but we're talking about Scotland here.

[Machtergreifung]

Dunno, we had a big thing with ships up till thirty years ago...

u mean britian did, specificly england

Some abormaly large (the figure 3/4ths is in my mind, need to check) portion of the worlds ships between the 1800s to 1950 were built on the Clyde. Yes, the rest of Britain had shipbuilding sectors, but not anywhere near the level that it had in Scotland.

[Falcania]

What tangible benefits does Scotland hope to gain from dissolving the union?

[Chinese Regions]

Scotland is dancing there way to independance.

[Ostroeuropa]

Scotland is dancing there way to independance.

That must be why twice as many people oppose independence.

And the commission said that question was biased toward a Yes vote. Now that it has been changed to a neutral wording, we may see support for independence fall even further.

[Tagmatium]

the wording of a question can be important (see: "temporarily banks into government ownership" vs "nationalize banks" poll results) but this wasn't really one of those times so i guess people aren't happy unless the question is biased against and if we can change the wording to make it give a better result for the status quo then that means the question is totally biased?

Is "Do you think Scotland should become an Independent Country?" biased against a "yes" vote for independence?

I mean, to me, it seems pretty crystal clear.

But then the last one did, too, so...

Sorry for reposting this, Souseiseki, but I'm interested in an answer, the selfish bastard that I am.

I just plain don't know what all the fuss was about. It seems to me it's like asking "Do you like biscuits?" vs. "Do you think you like biscuits?".

STRIKE MY IGNORANCE DOWN, AND IT WILL BECOME MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU - wait, shit. That's not good.

[The UK in Exile]

Is "Do you think Scotland should become an Independent Country?" biased against a "yes" vote for independence?

I mean, to me, it seems pretty crystal clear.

But then the last one did, too, so...

Sorry for reposting this, Souseiseki, but I'm interested in an answer, the selfish bastard that I am.

I just plain don't know what all the fuss was about. It seems to me it's like asking "Do you like biscuits?" vs. "Do you think you like biscuits?".

STRIKE MY IGNORANCE DOWN, AND IT WILL BECOME MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU - wait, shit. That's not good.

people are more likely to agree with a positive question than a neutral one.

[Tagmatium]

Sorry for reposting this, Souseiseki, but I'm interested in an answer, the selfish bastard that I am.

I just plain don't know what all the fuss was about. It seems to me it's like asking "Do you like biscuits?" vs. "Do you think you like biscuits?".

STRIKE MY IGNORANCE DOWN, AND IT WILL BECOME MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU - wait, shit. That's not good.

people are more likely to agree with a positive question than a neutral one.

Hrrmmm, you're right, aren't you?

Damn human psychology.

[Glasgia]

"Do you like biscuits?" "Yeah,I like biscuits."

"Do you think you like biscuits?" "Well, um, I- I guess I like biscuits... I think I do. Kind of I guess."

[Marcurix]

As a Scot, I don't really know. I think, however, we have to at least try, so that if we fall flat on our faces, we can comfort ourselves in the knowledge that we made an attempt at it.

Not to demean your optimism, but given how bad falling flat on our faces could be I'm not sure that would be much of a comfort.

Not to say I think Scotland would go belly up with independence, that's really unlikely, but still.

[Machtergreifung]

As a Scot, I don't really know. I think, however, we have to at least try, so that if we fall flat on our faces, we can comfort ourselves in the knowledge that we made an attempt at it.

Not to demean your optimism, but given how bad falling flat on our faces could be I'm not sure that would be much of a comfort.

Not to say I think Scotland would go belly up with independence, that's really unlikely, but still.

The risk of failure is far outweighed by the chance that everything goes fine IMO.

[SaorAlba]

For onesies the Scottish "Seperatist" movement existed long before Alex Salmond and it will exist long after he's gone.

Here you will find a brief history of the resistance to the union that was forced on the people of Scotland.


http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org/Pages/SRSMArticlesDanielDefoe.aspx

Since day one we have resisted with riots in the streets, an insurrection in 1708, Three Jacobite rebellions a further insurrection in 1797 then the 1820 radicals. the independence movement has existed in Scotland since we were sold out to Westminster.

The union was established, to preserve the royal line chosen by Westminster, not to aid Scotland with a bailout.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Settlement_1701

The scottish parliment countered this by ensuring their right to establish their own monarch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Security_1704

This didnt go down to well with westminster (surprise, surprise.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Act_1705

What they couldn't take with the stick, they took with the carrot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Such_a_Parcel_of_Rogues_in_a_Nation


This is what the unionist press seems to think of Scotland

I vote we tell them to Fuck off in 2014.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Security_1704

^
Totally an act of English Imperialism and not an example of the 4 kingdoms doing their usual petty shit and not being a unified nation like they should be.

[SaorAlba]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Security_1704

^
Totally an act of English Imperialism

Aye

[The Franko-Gothic Empire]

For onesies the Scottish "Seperatist" movement existed long before Alex Salmond and it will exist long after he's gone.

Here you will find a brief history of the resistance to the union that was forced on the people of Scotland.


http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org/Pages/SRSMArticlesDanielDefoe.aspx

Since day one we have resisted with riots in the streets, an insurrection in 1708, Three Jacobite rebellions a further insurrection in 1797 then the 1820 radicals. the independence movement has existed in Scotland since we were sold out to Westminster.

The union was established, to preserve the royal line chosen by Westminster, not to aid Scotland with a bailout.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Settlement_1701

The scottish parliment countered this by ensuring their right to establish their own monarch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Security_1704

This didnt go down to well with westminster (surprise, surprise.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Act_1705

What they couldn't take with the stick, they took with the carrot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Such_a_Parcel_of_Rogues_in_a_Nation


This is what the unionist press seems to think of Scotland

I vote we tell them to Fuck off in 2014.

Please stop

[Democratic Koyro]

No to Scottish Separatism. They should abolish these moronic sub-national Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish governments too.

Scotland is dancing there way to independance.

That must be why twice as many people oppose independence.

And the commission said that question was biased toward a Yes vote. Now that it has been changed to a neutral wording, we may see support for independence fall even further.

Indeed. An incredibly vocal minority is kicking up one hell of a stink and trying to shove the opinion that Independence is the view of all Scots :/

Edit: deleted double post.

[SaorAlba]

No to Scottish Separatism. They should abolish these moronic sub-national Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish governments too.

Over ma dead body sunshine.

The Scottish goverment is the only thing protecting us from whatever flavour of austerity is in charge at Wastemonster.


Alba gu Brath.

[Souseiseki]

No to Scottish Separatism. They should abolish these moronic sub-national Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish governments too.

That must be why twice as many people oppose independence.

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And the commission said that question was biased toward a Yes vote. Now that it has been changed to a neutral wording, we may see support for independence fall even further.

Indeed. An incredibly vocal minority is kicking up one hell of a stink and trying to shove the opinion that Independence is the view of all Scots :/

Edit: deleted double post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Covenant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_d ... ndum,_1979
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_d ... ndum,_1997

"67% said the Scottish Parliament should either make all decisions for Scotland (35%), or it should make all decisions apart from defence and foreign affairs (32%)."

we can abolish the devolved governments on the condition that you stop pretending like you actually give a fuck about the view of scots

[The UK in Exile]

No to Scottish Separatism. They should abolish these moronic sub-national Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish governments too.



Indeed. An incredibly vocal minority is kicking up one hell of a stink and trying to shove the opinion that Independence is the view of all Scots :/

Edit: deleted double post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Covenant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_d ... ndum,_1979
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_d ... ndum,_1997

"67% said the Scottish Parliament should either make all decisions for Scotland (35%), or it should make all decisions apart from defence and foreign affairs (32%)."

we can abolish the devolved governments on the condition that you stop pretending like you actually give a fuck about the view of scots

sold.

[Souseiseki]

The Scottish independence referendum will be held on 18 September 2014, First Minister Alex Salmond has said.

Voters will be asked the yes/no question, "Should Scotland be an independent country?"

:-)

EDIT:

[Scholencia]

Scottish independence is a good idea, I hope the "yes" will prevail in the referendum although I doubt.

Saor Alba

[Napkiraly]

Saor Alba

I wasn't aware Scotland was being oppressed.