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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:22 pm

New Israelia wrote:I support this. Having atheists in public office is abominable and blaspehmeous.

Soon someone on NSG will claim that atheists are mean bullies who pick on poor helpless theists on the internet, people who never did anything to them, and when they do I shall thank you for this post.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:23 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Up until now, I've only suspect that you've been blowing smoke out your ass. Now I'm certain.

It has poor social policies, huge amounts of debt and a failed economic policy.

It's a good thing that has nothing to do with democracy.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:24 pm

Oneracon wrote:Well in a constitutional monarchy the stability of the Crown acts as a buffer against possible extreme political actions by government. In a sense, the monarchy can, under a proper constitution, actually be the final safeguard of democracy.

But that is beside the point.
I'll put my strong opposition to any form of monarchism to the side for right now. That arguement does not work for them however, as the indivivdual in discussion does not value democracy. Considering their opposition to constitutonal monarchism while still supporting monarchism in general, we can only presume they are talking about regressing hundreds of years into the past to the horrors of absolute monarchism.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:24 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
New Israelia wrote:I support this. Having atheists in public office is abominable and blaspehmeous.

Soon someone on NSG will claim that atheists are mean bullies who pick on poor helpless theists on the internet, people who never did anything to them, and when they do I shall thank you for this post.

Already done, earlier today...
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:24 pm

Ordya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It has poor social policies, huge amounts of debt and a failed economic policy.

So did every absolute monarchy throughout history.

Queen Elizabeth I.
Catherine the Great.
Peter the Great.
Emperor Charles V.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:24 pm

You guys do realize that we've totally went off the rails, right?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:25 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
New Israelia wrote:I support this. Having atheists in public office is abominable and blaspehmeous.

Soon someone on NSG will claim that atheists are mean bullies who pick on poor helpless theists on the internet, people who never did anything to them, and when they do I shall thank you for this post.

That happened pages back before the thread became a one-man show (maybe that guy was the opening act) where someone decided that atheism had to be fought because atheists were poopyheads.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:26 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:Soon someone on NSG will claim that atheists are mean bullies who pick on poor helpless theists on the internet, people who never did anything to them, and when they do I shall thank you for this post.

Already done, earlier today...

I'll ninja you, you...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:26 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:You guys do realize that we've totally went off the rails, right?


I think it's my fault, I must be some sort of derailing charm.

Every thread I enter in to (even by chance) ends up derailed. :lol:
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:26 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:Soon someone on NSG will claim that atheists are mean bullies who pick on poor helpless theists on the internet, people who never did anything to them, and when they do I shall thank you for this post.

That happened pages back before the thread became a one-man show (maybe that guy was the opening act) where someone decided that atheism had to be fought because atheists were poopyheads.

Gee, I wonder why...
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:27 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ordya wrote:So did every absolute monarchy throughout history.

Queen Elizabeth I.
Catherine the Great.
Peter the Great.
Emperor Charles V.

"Monarchy", not "monarch".
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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:27 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ordya wrote:So did every absolute monarchy throughout history.

Queen Elizabeth I.
Catherine the Great.
Peter the Great.
Emperor Charles V.

I would be amazed if you actually knew anything insightful about any of these people, or their policies, or the economies of their time.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:27 pm

Ordya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Queen Elizabeth I.
Catherine the Great.
Peter the Great.
Emperor Charles V.

"Monarchy", not "monarch".

British Empire,
Czarist Russia,
Holy Roman Empire
Gay and Proudand also a brony
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:28 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:You guys do realize that we've totally went off the rails, right?

I think it's my fault, I must be some sort of derailing charm.

Every thread I enter in to (even by chance) ends up derailed. :lol:

I think it's the charm of NSG, we're good at it, but I don't know how we got to "GOP requiring meaningless oath to graduate that includes phrase 'so help me God'" to "monarchy and its merits (or lack thereof)".
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:28 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ordya wrote:"Monarchy", not "monarch".

British Empire,
Czarist Russia,
Holy Roman Empire


Completely ignoring all the atrocities committed in those empires, are we?
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:29 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Oneracon wrote:I think it's my fault, I must be some sort of derailing charm.

Every thread I enter in to (even by chance) ends up derailed. :lol:

I think it's the charm of NSG, we're good at it, but I don't know how we got to "GOP requiring meaningless oath to graduate that includes phrase 'so help me God'" to "monarchy and its merits (or lack thereof)".


See, this is why I try to stick to F&NI and other IC threads... but every so often something comes up on that side panel
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:29 pm

Oneracon wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:British Empire,
Czarist Russia,
Holy Roman Empire


Completely ignoring all the atrocities committed in those empires, are we?

Many good things came from them.
Gay and Proudand also a brony
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:29 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Queen Elizabeth I.
Catherine the Great.
Peter the Great.
Emperor Charles V.

I would be amazed if you actually knew anything insightful about any of these people, or their policies, or the economies of their time.

;) :p
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:29 pm

Oneracon wrote:Completely ignoring all the atrocities committed in those empires, are we?
I'm not sure if human rights are the biggest concern to someone who considers atheists to be 2/3rds of a person.
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:30 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ordya wrote:"Monarchy", not "monarch".

British Empire,
Czarist Russia,
Holy Roman Empire

All collapsed miserably.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:30 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Completely ignoring all the atrocities committed in those empires, are we?

Many good things came from them.


Like Bolshevism?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:30 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:British Empire,

Social failure that fell apart within a few generations.
Czarist Russia,

Economic failure that was actually somehow shittier than a command economy. Also, serfdom in the 19th century.
Holy Roman Empire

A fucking confederacy of loosely aligned independent lords.
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:31 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Completely ignoring all the atrocities committed in those empires, are we?

Many good things came from them.

Murder, murder, & murder?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:31 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Completely ignoring all the atrocities committed in those empires, are we?
I'm not sure if human rights are the biggest concern to someone who considers atheists to be 2/3rds of a person.

That he gave that answer is enough of a indication how much consideration should actually be given. I mean, look at that exchange and tell me that a serious argument is being made.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:31 pm

Oneracon wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:British Empire,
Czarist Russia,
Holy Roman Empire


Completely ignoring all the atrocities committed in those empires, are we?

I just think it is funny that he thinks so highly of the Holy Roman Empire or Tsarist Russia.

The HRE could not rule itself. And the Russian system was so backwards and authoritarian that Tsar Nicholas II literally spent part of his day reviewing requests for divorce by common peasants.
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