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Postby Silent Majority » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:14 pm

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Ruridova wrote:Real life is not NS. You can't just press a "dismiss issue" button and it'll be gone. In real life, that just leaves the issue unsolved. It's not a maybe- these issues need to be addressed somehow- all of them- otherwise they'll grow out of control.

Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.


There's nothing rational about a monarchy
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:14 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Real life is not NS. You can't just press a "dismiss issue" button and it'll be gone. In real life, that just leaves the issue unsolved. It's not a maybe- these issues need to be addressed somehow- all of them- otherwise they'll grow out of control.

Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.

We created the Constitution immediately after rebelling against a monarchy to make sure that we wouldn't have another monarchy. Trust me, we're never going to replace the former with the latter.
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:14 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:You do realize you can have a constitution and a monarchy...right?

Constitutional Monarchies don't work out.

The UK would disagree.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:15 pm

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so atheists count as 2/3s of a person for the purposes of representation.

Atheists are slaves now?


it doesn't mention slaves, it mentions "other persons". the literal interpretation of which is rather vague.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:15 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:I'll have to ask my best friend, since he's under the Selective Services Act. Being female, I don't fall under that law. But if I remember right, men between the ages of 18-26 have to register in order to get federal financial aid.

Well, I got Pell grants, so I probably did at some point. Clearly it made a huge impact on my life.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:16 pm

Silent Majority wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.


There's nothing rational about a monarchy

Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.

Ordya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Constitutional Monarchies don't work out.

The UK would disagree.

The UK is a failed democracy.
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:16 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Ordya wrote:Atheists are slaves now?


it doesn't mention slaves, it mentions "other persons". the literal interpretation of which is rather vague.

Thank God the Founders knew to make it changeable.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:16 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Real life is not NS. You can't just press a "dismiss issue" button and it'll be gone. In real life, that just leaves the issue unsolved. It's not a maybe- these issues need to be addressed somehow- all of them- otherwise they'll grow out of control.

Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.

We rebelled from the United Kingdom largely so we wouldn't be under a monarch.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:17 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You do realize you can have a constitution and a monarchy...right?

Constitutional Monarchies don't work out.


I'm sure that the UK, Canada, Australia, Jamaica, Antigua, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg, Japan, and Liechtenstein would all disagree (just to name a few).
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:17 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:
There's nothing rational about a monarchy

Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.

Ordya wrote:The UK would disagree.

The UK is a failed democracy.

How so?
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:17 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.
In what possible way is hereditary rule the best system of governance?
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Postby Silent Majority » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:17 pm

Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.


You're either trolling, or just extremely ignorant of human history.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:18 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.
In what possible way is hereditary rule the best system of governance?


Well in a constitutional monarchy the stability of the Crown acts as a buffer against possible extreme political actions by government. In a sense, the monarchy can, under a proper constitution, actually be the final safeguard of democracy.

But that is beside the point.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:19 pm

Ruridova wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.

We rebelled from the United Kingdom largely so we wouldn't be under a monarch.

And it worked out so well. But this is NOT a thread on Monarchism.

Silent Majority wrote:
Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.


You're either trolling, or just extremely ignorant of human history.

Monarchists are ignorant now?

Threlizdun wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.
In what possible way is hereditary rule the best system of governance?

Not related to the thread.

Oneracon wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Constitutional Monarchies don't work out.


I'm sure that the UK, Canada, Australia, Jamaica, Antigua, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg, and Liechtenstein would all disagree (just to name a few).

All democracies.
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Postby New Israelia » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:19 pm

I support this. Having atheists in public office is abominable and blaspehmeous.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:19 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ordya wrote:The UK would disagree.

The UK is a failed democracy.

Up until now, I've only suspect that you've been blowing smoke out your ass. Now I'm certain.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:19 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You do realize you can have a constitution and a monarchy...right?

Constitutional Monarchies don't work out.

The majority of the developed world would disagree.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:19 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, I got Pell grants, so I probably did at some point. Clearly it made a huge impact on my life.

I know right? Huge difference it made!

An anachronism that is still around so that unknown senators can make tangential points by threatening to reinstate the draft, I guess.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:19 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
I'm sure that the UK, Canada, Australia, Jamaica, Antigua, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg, and Liechtenstein would all disagree (just to name a few).

All democracies.


Yes, all democracies headed by a constitutional monarch.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:20 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The UK is a failed democracy.

Up until now, I've only suspect that you've been blowing smoke out your ass. Now I'm certain.

It has poor social policies, huge amounts of debt and a failed economic policy.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:21 pm

Silent Majority wrote:
Yes there is. Monarchy is a much better system.


You're either trolling, or just extremely ignorant of human history.

Or both...
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:21 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:
You're either trolling, or just extremely ignorant of human history.

Or both...

Trolling is trying to anger others. I am simply posting my real views as a Monarchist.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:22 pm

New Israelia wrote:I support this. Having atheists in public office is abominable and blaspehmeous.

Having heathen Christians in office is an abominationa against Allah.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:22 pm

New Israelia wrote:I support this. Having atheists in public office is abominable and blaspehmeous.


Tee hee, you're silly. :p
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:22 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Up until now, I've only suspect that you've been blowing smoke out your ass. Now I'm certain.

It has poor social policies, huge amounts of debt and a failed economic policy.

So did every absolute monarchy throughout history.
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