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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:04 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
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Sorry, that was a typo.

See correction above ^

I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.


Yes of course, because the founding fathers surely were able to predict all issues that would come up in the future. :palm:

This is why I'm glad that Canada's constitution was updated in the '80s
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:05 pm

Benomia wrote:Actually, the gov doesn't care what any of us think.

They sure keep invoking what I apparently think every time they want to justify whatever it is they're trying to do.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:05 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Sorry, that was a typo.

See correction above ^

I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.

The elastic clause of the Constitution, if I remember correctly, says you can do things not listed in the Constitution; you don't have to follow it to the letter.
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Postby ALMF » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:05 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:And again, you're wrong. Like I said, the UDHR affords equal protection under the law to all humans residing in a country's jurisdiction regardless of status.

Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.

That's impossible there can be no religious test for Citizenship so the first amendment applies equally
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:05 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.
Then you agree that all the rights Mav listed should be takn away because they are not specifically stated. Agreeing to a literalist interpretation is an all or nothing approach.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:05 pm

Oneracon wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.


Yes of course, because the founding fathers surely were able to predict all issues that would come up in the future. :palm:

This is why I'm glad that Canada's constitution was updated in the '80s

The Constitution of the US adresses many an issue.
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:06 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Yes of course, because the founding fathers surely were able to predict all issues that would come up in the future. :palm:

This is why I'm glad that Canada's constitution was updated in the '80s

The Constitution of the US adresses many an issue.


The right to freedom of movement within the United States and freedom within state of residence? Not listed at all.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:06 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:I was going to bring up the selective service thing we had to do when we turned 18, but then I thought, "You know what? I don't remember ever doing that..." I might have, I just seriously can't remember if I did or not...weird.

I'll have to ask my best friend, since he's under the Selective Services Act. Being female, I don't fall under that law. But if I remember right, men between the ages of 18-26 have to register in order to get federal financial aid.

Well, I got Pell grants, so I probably did at some point. Clearly it made a huge impact on my life.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:07 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Yes of course, because the founding fathers surely were able to predict all issues that would come up in the future. :palm:

This is why I'm glad that Canada's constitution was updated in the '80s

The Constitution of the US adresses many an issue.

Yes, but there weren't many open atheists or homosexuals or nuclear weapons in the 1780s so it may not fully address those issues.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:07 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Sorry, that was a typo.

See correction above ^

I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.

So fuck these rights?:

The right to interstate travel
The right to intrastate travel
The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including:
a. The right to marriage
b. The right to procreation
c. The right for a women to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability
d. The right to private education (homeschooling one's children)
e. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices)
f. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together)
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:08 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.
Then you agree that all the rights Mav listed should be takn away because they are not specifically stated. Agreeing to a literalist interpretation is an all or nothing approach.

Looks like slavery's comin' back, boys!
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:08 pm

Oneracon wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The Constitution of the US adresses many an issue.


The right to freedom of movement within the United States and freedom within state of residence? Not listed at all.

You can infer some things from it.

Ruridova wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The Constitution of the US adresses many an issue.

Yes, but there weren't many open atheists or homosexuals or nuclear weapons in the 1780s so it may not fully address those issues.

And?
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:09 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Yes, but there weren't many open atheists or homosexuals or nuclear weapons in the 1780s so it may not fully address those issues.

And?

Thus not all issues are addressed and maybe they need to be?
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:09 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The Constitution of the US adresses many an issue.

So it's an infallible document? I suppose the ammendments were bullshit too. Let us return to the rule of property-owning white men.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:09 pm

Ruridova wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
And?

Thus not all issues are addressed and maybe they need to be?

Some yes.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:10 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Sorry, that was a typo.

See correction above ^

I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.


so atheists count as 2/3s of a person for the purposes of representation.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:10 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Thus not all issues are addressed and maybe they need to be?

Some yes.

Then we shouldn't read it literally.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:10 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.


so atheists count as 2/3s of a person for the purposes of representation.

Yes?
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Thus not all issues are addressed and maybe they need to be?

Some yes.

Real life is not NS. You can't just press a "dismiss issue" button and it'll be gone. In real life, that just leaves the issue unsolved. It's not a maybe- these issues need to be addressed somehow- all of them- otherwise they'll grow out of control.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:12 pm

Ruridova wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Some yes.

Real life is not NS. You can't just press a "dismiss issue" button and it'll be gone. In real life, that just leaves the issue unsolved. It's not a maybe- these issues need to be addressed somehow- all of them- otherwise they'll grow out of control.

Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:13 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Real life is not NS. You can't just press a "dismiss issue" button and it'll be gone. In real life, that just leaves the issue unsolved. It's not a maybe- these issues need to be addressed somehow- all of them- otherwise they'll grow out of control.

Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.

You do realize you can have a constitution and a monarchy...right?
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Postby The Irradiated Chernobyl » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:13 pm

First Amendment guarantees us freedom of religion, if the bill passes then it'll be deemed unconstitutional, even if it somehow gets that far.
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Postby Ordya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:13 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I am saying the Constitution should be upheld litteratly.


so atheists count as 2/3s of a person for the purposes of representation.

Atheists are slaves now?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Than create a solution based on the Constitution. Or do the ration thing and get rid of the Constitution and institute a Monarchy.

You do realize you can have a constitution and a monarchy...right?

Constitutional Monarchies don't work out.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:13 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
so atheists count as 2/3s of a person for the purposes of representation.

Yes?


indeed, given there is no definition of "free" or "other persons" within, all people may be counted as 3/5ths of a person, per the constitution. or just christians.

per a literal intepretation.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

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