Not allow Atheists to graduate from HS? GOP says yes!

[Ordya]

My thoughts:

1) The GOP needs to just stop. Lincoln's rolling over in his grave.

2) Arizona has such a history with electing conservative dickbags that it's sad.

3) This law will never pass court scrutiny without at least allowing for opt-outs, otherwise it's not making it outside the governor's mansion.

[Ovisterra]

So? Lots of rights aren't in the constitution.

Anyway, it is in the UDHR, which the US signed. So yes, they do have those rights.

Which is not in the Constitution.

Oh, so everything outside of the constitution isn't legally binding in the US? Your cherry picking is cute, but one of these days you're going to have to learn how2logic.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Because it does not say that right is granted within any Amendment or the Constitution itself.

Neither are these rights:
The right to interstate travel
The right to intrastate travel
The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including:
a. The right to marriage
b. The right to procreation
c. The right for a women to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability
d. The right to private education (homeschooling one's children)
e. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices)
f. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together)

Some of those should not be either, but lets save that for a different thread.

[Individuality-ness]

My thoughts:

1) The GOP needs to just stop. Lincoln's rolling over in his grave.

2) Arizona has such a history with electing conservative dickbags that it's sad.

3) This law will never pass court scrutiny without at least allowing for opt-outs, otherwise it's not making it outside the governor's mansion.

It's not going to pass scrutiny PERIOD. Why the hell do you need to say an oath to graduate that doesn't even mean anything?

[Cannot think of a name]

If you all are going to work this hard to entertain someone you should charge admission or at least put out a hat.

I mean, sure, someone makes a ridiculous assertion, you don't want to just let that lay. But at what point do you decide that you've been punching a balloon and it's obvious to even the dimmest of third party readers?

And this isn't even a slick attempt to get around the trollnaming rule, I don't give a shit if he's 'trolling' or not, or if he believes this (though I contend that he does not), but that it's essentially the same argument gamesay for like, how many pages? Can any of you honestly say if you were dropped at any point in this argument you'd be able to tell if it was the beginning, middle, or end?

What am I doing...this is more futile than the thing I'm railing against...

Trying to keep NSG sane and failing CTOAN.

Any smug sense of satisfaction I could muster would be undermined by my own participation. Really no more than a salmon at the feeding pool insisting we don't have to shove only to interrupt myself to grab a fish pellet.


...


Well, that was an awful, awful metaphor.

[Individuality-ness]

Trying to keep NSG sane and failing CTOAN.

Any smug sense of satisfaction I could muster would be undermined by my own participation. Really no more than a salmon at the feeding pool insisting we don't have to shove only to interrupt myself to grab a fish pellet.


...


Well, that was an awful, awful metaphor.

Yes it was. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Mavorpen]

Neither are these rights:
The right to interstate travel
The right to intrastate travel
The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including:
a. The right to marriage
b. The right to procreation
c. The right for a women to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability
d. The right to private education (homeschooling one's children)
e. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices)
f. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together)

Some of those should not be either, but lets save that for a different thread.

In other words, you're wrong.

[Ordya]

My thoughts:

1) The GOP needs to just stop. Lincoln's rolling over in his grave.

2) Arizona has such a history with electing conservative dickbags that it's sad.

3) This law will never pass court scrutiny without at least allowing for opt-outs, otherwise it's not making it outside the governor's mansion.

It's not going to pass scrutiny PERIOD. Why the hell do you need to say an oath to graduate that doesn't even mean anything?

Why the hell would you have to say an oath to graduate at all?

btw, Arizona is ruled by Republicans, there is no scrutiny.

[Gauthier]

Please, don't insult nationalism. It's untamed chauvinism mixed with some bigotry.

So nationalism?

Fanboyism. When has anyone ever been a nationaiist for a country not their own?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Some of those should not be either, but lets save that for a different thread.

In other words, you're wrong.

No I am not.

[Silent Majority]

Neither are these rights:
The right to interstate travel
The right to intrastate travel
The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including:
a. The right to marriage
b. The right to procreation
c. The right for a women to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability
d. The right to private education (homeschooling one's children)
e. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices)
f. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together)

Some of those should not be either, but lets save that for a different thread.

So in other words you're saying the constitution says what ever you want it to say.

[Benomia]

In other words, you're wrong.

No I am not.

>thinks civil liberties shouldn't exist
*must be NatSov

[Mavorpen]

In other words, you're wrong.

No I am not.

You just admitted that things that are not enumerated in the Constitution are protected by it. Therefore, you're wrong.

[Ovisterra]

Some of those should not be either, but lets save that for a different thread.

So in other words you're saying the constitution says what ever you want it to say.

He also said that everything not in the constitution isn't legally binding.

[Great Nepal]

as per the Constitution they are the final arbiters of what is wrong and right. there is no higher authority.

They can make mistakes.

Awesome. So I am assuming you are filing an appeal to this incorrect ruling? *grabs pop corn*

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

No I am not.

You just admitted that things that are not enumerated in the Constitution are protected by it. Therefore, you're wrong.

Where did I say that?

[Individuality-ness]

They can make mistakes.

Awesome. So I am assuming you are filing an appeal to this incorrect ruling? *grabs pop corn*

I think he admitted that he's not a US citizen, so he won't be able to, even if he wanted to.

[Cannot think of a name]

My thoughts:

1) The GOP needs to just stop. Lincoln's rolling over in his grave.

2) Arizona has such a history with electing conservative dickbags that it's sad.

3) This law will never pass court scrutiny without at least allowing for opt-outs, otherwise it's not making it outside the governor's mansion.

It's not going to pass scrutiny PERIOD. Why the hell do you need to say an oath to graduate that doesn't even mean anything?

"Uphold the Constitution" is such a vague thing to ask of a high school graduate to begin with. "Alright, I took an oath...I guess it's beholden on me to...not quarter soldiers in peacetime, I guess. Does this mean that my older brother can't crash at our house between deployments? And provide representation for Washington D.C...not sure how I'm supposed to do that..."

I mean, what does that even mean? I know that TEA Party cats interpret it to mean 'vote for policies I like', but outside of that...what?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Awesome. So I am assuming you are filing an appeal to this incorrect ruling? *grabs pop corn*

I think he admitted that he's not a US citizen, so he won't be able to, even if he wanted to.

I did not say that. I said assuming I am a US citizen. I have no comment as to whether or not I am currently one.

[The UK in Exile]

I think he admitted that he's not a US citizen, so he won't be able to, even if he wanted to.

I did not say that. I said assuming I am a US citizen. I have no comment as to whether or not I am currently one.

though by your own argument, your not.

[Mavorpen]

You just admitted that things that are not enumerated in the Constitution are protected by it. Therefore, you're wrong.

Where did I say that?

So we do not have any of these rights?

Neither are these rights:
The right to interstate travel
The right to intrastate travel
The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including:
a. The right to marriage
b. The right to procreation
c. The right for a women to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability
d. The right to private education (homeschooling one's children)
e. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices)
f. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together)

[Cannot think of a name]

So nationalism?

Fanboyism. When has anyone ever been a nationaiist for a country not their own?

That cat from Finland who thinks he's more American than Obama voters?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Where did I say that?

So we do not have any of these rights?

Neither are these rights:
The right to interstate travel
The right to intrastate travel
The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including:
a. The right to marriage
b. The right to procreation
c. The right for a women to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability
d. The right to private education (homeschooling one's children)
e. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices)
f. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together)

The Constitution probably would allow some, but not all.

[Individuality-ness]

I think he admitted that he's not a US citizen, so he won't be able to, even if he wanted to.

I did not say that. I said assuming I am a US citizen. I have no comment as to whether or not I am currently one.

Well, if you were a US citizen, then why aren't you going to the Supreme Court and appealing their ruling?

It's not going to pass scrutiny PERIOD. Why the hell do you need to say an oath to graduate that doesn't even mean anything?

"Uphold the Constitution" is such a vague thing to ask of a high school graduate to begin with. "Alright, I took an oath...I guess it's beholden on me to...not quarter soldiers in peacetime, I guess. Does this mean that my older brother can't crash at our house between deployments? And provide representation for Washington D.C...not sure how I'm supposed to do that..."

I mean, what does that even mean? I know that TEA Party cats interpret it to mean 'vote for policies I like', but outside of that...what?

Make it easier for them to be drafted to the military? I don't even know.

[Ruridova]

This would violate the First Amendment, right?