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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:02 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It is. But the Atheists in it are not part of it.

So you are backtracking?
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:There are Hindu Atheists. That does not mean the religion does not believe in God.

In other words, you're wrong no matter what. So which is it. Do Hindu atheists exist or not?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:02 pm

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Atheists don't have freedom of lack thereof of worship.


No, the Supreme Court settled this. Under the First Amendment atheists have the freedom to exercise their religious views even though their views consist of a rejection of religion.

The Supreme Court was wrong. Atheists have no right under the First Amendment.
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Postby Benomia » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:02 pm

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Postby United States of Raptors » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:02 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:You can't seriously be that ignorant...
Every citizen has all the rights set forth in the constitution. Hell, for a number of them you don't even have to be a citizen.

Atheists don't have freedom of lack thereof of worship.

Mavorpen wrote:So Hinduism isn't a religion?

It is. But the Atheists in it are not part of it.


Are you really that stupid? Where in the constitution does it say that Atheists have no rights? Atheism is technically defined as a religion and thus they have rights. I suggest you read the whole declaration of independance and constitution again, study it, and correct your big fat stupidity.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:02 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
No, the Supreme Court settled this. Under the First Amendment atheists have the freedom to exercise their religious views even though their views consist of a rejection of religion.

The Supreme Court was wrong. Atheists have no right under the First Amendment.


its infallible. like the pope.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:03 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
No, the Supreme Court settled this. Under the First Amendment atheists have the freedom to exercise their religious views even though their views consist of a rejection of religion.

The Supreme Court was wrong. Atheists have no right under the First Amendment.


Yes, because your opinion carries more weight than that of America's highest judicial body.

I hope I don't have to explain how absurd that sounds.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:03 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
No, the Supreme Court settled this. Under the First Amendment atheists have the freedom to exercise their religious views even though their views consist of a rejection of religion.

The Supreme Court was wrong. Atheists have no right under the First Amendment.

And again, you're wrong. Like I said, the UDHR affords equal protection under the law to all humans residing in a country's jurisdiction regardless of status.
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Postby United States of Raptors » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:04 pm

I have a strange feeling that the USSR guy is trolling.
The Archregimancy wrote:I only have one:

That most people in NSG actually know that much about history/archaeology in the first place.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:05 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The Supreme Court was wrong. Atheists have no right under the First Amendment.

And again, you're wrong. Like I said, the UDHR affords equal protection under the law to all humans residing in a country's jurisdiction regardless of status.

Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:05 pm

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the hell is this?
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:06 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:And again, you're wrong. Like I said, the UDHR affords equal protection under the law to all humans residing in a country's jurisdiction regardless of status.

Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.


prove it.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:06 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:And again, you're wrong. Like I said, the UDHR affords equal protection under the law to all humans residing in a country's jurisdiction regardless of status.

Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.

No, but again, the UDHR does.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:07 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.


prove it.

It does not mention 'or lack thereof' when giving rights to religions.

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.

No, but again, the UDHR does.

If neither the Constitution nor the 1st Amendment gives Atheists rights, how could it?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:07 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:And again, you're wrong. Like I said, the UDHR affords equal protection under the law to all humans residing in a country's jurisdiction regardless of status.

Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.

So you don't have the right to believe in God?
Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It is. But the Atheists in it are not part of it.

So you are backtracking?
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:There are Hindu Atheists. That does not mean the religion does not believe in God.

In other words, you're wrong no matter what. So which is it. Do Hindu atheists exist or not?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:08 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yet the 1st Amendement gives no right of religion to Atheists.

So you don't have the right to believe in God?
Mavorpen wrote:So you are backtracking?

In other words, you're wrong no matter what. So which is it. Do Hindu atheists exist or not?

I do. You don't.

No.
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Postby Krintera » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:08 pm

I thought the US had seperation of church and state, like it was a civilized country?

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:08 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
prove it.

It does not mention 'or lack thereof' when giving rights to religions.



no, no, no. show me a court that upheld this opinion. or concede. also note it didn't give rights to religions, it gave them to people.
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"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:09 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So you don't have the right to believe in God?

I do. You don't.

No.

So Hinduism isn't a religion?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Shnercropolis » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:10 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
prove it.

It does not mention 'or lack thereof' when giving rights to religions.

Wisconsin9 wrote:No, but again, the UDHR does.

If neither the Constitution nor the 1st Amendment gives Atheists rights, how could it?

because it is enforced in every country.
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:10 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:No, but again, the UDHR does.

If neither the Constitution nor the 1st Amendment gives Atheists rights, how could it?

Because the UDHR applies to everyone.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:10 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It does not mention 'or lack thereof' when giving rights to religions.



no, no, no. show me a court that upheld this opinion. or concede. also note it didn't give rights to religions, it gave them to people.

If it is not mentioned in the First Amendment than I do not need to.

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I do. You don't.

No.

So Hinduism isn't a religion?

No.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:No.

So Hindus don't have rights?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:no, no, no. show me a court that upheld this opinion. or concede. also note it didn't give rights to religions, it gave them to people.

If it is not mentioned in the First Amendment than I do not need to.

Yes you do.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
no, no, no. show me a court that upheld this opinion. or concede. also note it didn't give rights to religions, it gave them to people.

If it is not mentioned in the First Amendment than I do not need to.


No.

Alright. Listen. So far your argument has been "the rights aren't guaranteed" and denials. Do you intend to do anything other than stubbornly defend your completely baseless opinion?
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:12 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
no, no, no. show me a court that upheld this opinion. or concede. also note it didn't give rights to religions, it gave them to people.

If it is not mentioned in the First Amendment than I do not need to.


sure you do, everyone else says atheism comes under the heading of "religion."

the supreme court says that it comes under the heading of "religion."
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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