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The United Soviet Socialist Republic
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:01 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:That is true, yes. But, though it gives rights to religions and people following them, it mentions nothing of a lack thereof for religion, so by that you could infer that atheists are not given rights in the constitution.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Nothing about atheists.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:02 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:

Nothing about atheists.


All persons born or naturalized in the United States


of the same kind or type.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
DEFCON 0 - not at war
DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:03 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:

Nothing about atheists.

No, because it applies to every citizen, regardless of political party, or skin color, or religion, or lack thereof. The fact that I was born in the United States makes me a citizen; what was posted applies to all citizens; therefore it applies to me no matter what I do or don't worship.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:03 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:

Nothing about atheists.

I have an ever diminishing faith in your sincerity that started at near zero to begin with, but how do you go about not enforcing or endorsing a religion or religious practice while at the same time compelling atheists to be religious?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Indira » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:04 pm

Assuming this is true, then I have one question to ask these guys. Have. They. Lost. Their. Collective. Minds?

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:04 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Nothing about atheists.

I have an ever diminishing faith in your sincerity that started at near zero to begin with, but how do you go about not enforcing or endorsing a religion or religious practice while at the same time compelling atheists to be religious?

Simple. Advocate Theism not Atheism.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:05 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I have an ever diminishing faith in your sincerity that started at near zero to begin with, but how do you go about not enforcing or endorsing a religion or religious practice while at the same time compelling atheists to be religious?

Simple. Advocate Theism not Atheism.

Thus chucking the Constitution out the window. Which is actually something you'd probably like to do.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:06 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I have an ever diminishing faith in your sincerity that started at near zero to begin with, but how do you go about not enforcing or endorsing a religion or religious practice while at the same time compelling atheists to be religious?

Simple. Advocate Theism not Atheism.


you must have an ideology claiming to know the unadulterated, unalterable truth. But it doesn't matter which one?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
DEFCON 0 - not at war
DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:07 pm

Indira wrote:Assuming this is true, then I have one question to ask these guys. Have. They. Lost. Their. Collective. Minds?


They don't have collective minds, silly, that commie crap is for Democrats only.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

Marat, "Marat/Sade"

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:07 pm

Indira wrote:Assuming this is true, then I have one question to ask these guys. Have. They. Lost. Their. Collective. Minds?

Bill text

It's the old Bachmann Gambit. Say or do some crazy ass shit. Wait for someone to notice your crazy ass shit and report on the crazy ass shit you're doing. Go to your constituents with how mean the liberals/media/heathens/whatever are to you for noticing and reporting on the crazy ass shit you actually do. Collect donations. Notable for the at the time little known Bachmann going on Hardball and saying that the press should investigate members of congress for 'unAmericanness.'
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:07 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Simple. Advocate Theism not Atheism.

Thus chucking the Constitution out the window. Which is actually something you'd probably like to do.

The US Constitution is flawed in many ways. I would love to make a new one.

The UK in Exile wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Simple. Advocate Theism not Atheism.


you must have an ideology claiming to know the unadulterated, unalterable truth. But it doesn't matter which one?

That's right.
Gay and Proudand also a brony
Political Compass:Left: 7.76, Authoritarian: 5.6
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Conservative on social issues(Support same sex marriage),
Anti secularist on religion,
Anti-Republican on government,
Interventionist/Imperialist on international issues

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:07 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
you must have an ideology claiming to know the unadulterated, unalterable truth. But it doesn't matter which one?

That's right.

Yay bigotry!
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:07 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Thus chucking the Constitution out the window. Which is actually something you'd probably like to do.

The US Constitution is flawed in many ways. I would love to make a new one.

That's not going to happen.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:08 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I have an ever diminishing faith in your sincerity that started at near zero to begin with, but how do you go about not enforcing or endorsing a religion or religious practice while at the same time compelling atheists to be religious?

Simple. Advocate Theism not Atheism.

That would be establishing religion.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:08 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Thus chucking the Constitution out the window. Which is actually something you'd probably like to do.

The US Constitution is flawed in many ways. I would love to make a new one.

The UK in Exile wrote:
you must have an ideology claiming to know the unadulterated, unalterable truth. But it doesn't matter which one?

That's right.


we don't care what you believe as long as you care what you believe? :rofl:
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
DEFCON 0 - not at war
DEFCON 1 - at war "go to red alert!" "are you absolutely sure sir? it does mean changing the lightbulb."

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:10 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Thus chucking the Constitution out the window. Which is actually something you'd probably like to do.

The US Constitution is flawed in many ways. I would love to make a new one.


Something tells me that your version would have more flaws than this one.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

Marat, "Marat/Sade"

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:10 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Simple. Advocate Theism not Atheism.

That would be establishing religion.

Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.

The UK in Exile wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The US Constitution is flawed in many ways. I would love to make a new one.


That's right.


we don't care what you believe as long as you care what you believe? :rofl:

You can be a religion but cant not have one.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That would be establishing religion.

Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.

And you've still never backed this up.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That would be establishing religion.

Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.

Except that is explicitly forbidden.
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"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:11 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:You can be a religion but cant not have one.

Not if it means being unable to formulate a coherent sentence.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:12 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That would be establishing religion.

Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.


Article the third ...... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

Marat, "Marat/Sade"

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:12 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.

And you've still never backed this up.

It says in the Constitution of the US that people are free to practice their religion, and does not say or lack thereof.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:

Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.
Except that is explicitly forbidden.

Says whom?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:12 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It says in the Constitution of the US that people are free to practice their religion, and does not say or lack thereof.

Where?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:13 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.
Except that is explicitly forbidden.

Says whom?

Third Base!

I mean, First Amendment.

How bored are you?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:13 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Yes. Theists are given rights in the US Constitution, Atheists not.

Except that is explicitly forbidden.

Says whom?[/quote]

Article the third ...... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

In other words, if I'm reading that correctly, you can't establish any religion as the national religion, because to do so is tantamount to shitting on the Bill of Rights.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

Marat, "Marat/Sade"

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