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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:30 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The US is a Theist nation. The 1% atheists can move to an Atheist nation if they don't want to say it.

Is this parody?
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:30 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The US is a Theist nation. The 1% atheists can move to an Atheist nation if they don't want to say it.

The US is not a "theist nation", it is a secular nation.

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Postby Sophian » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:30 am

New West Guiana wrote:GOP getting crazier and crazier and scarier.
A group of Arizona politicians — all Republicans, of course — have proposed a law (House Bill 2467) requiring public high school students to recite the following oath in order to graduate:

Kevin Bondelli adds:

In other words, if this bill were to become a law, atheists would either not be allowed to graduate… or they would be forced to lie so they could graduate. Neither option is acceptable.
Mike Sunnucks of the Phoenix Business Journal points out another problem:
The Arizona bill could also face legal challenges if it is approved.

This bill is the work of Representatives Bob Thorpe, Sonny Borrelli, Carl Seel, T.J. Shope, Jeff Dial, David Livingston, Chester Crandell, and Steve Smith.
Smith and Shope have also introduced legislation demanding that all students in grades 1-12 recite the Pledge of Allegiance (with “Under God”) every day. At least in that bill, students can get out of saying it with their parents’ permission.
No such exemption exists in the Loyalty Oath.
Keep in mind that in both cases, the bills do not help children get a better education. That’s the saddest thing about all this. The people who are in charge of fixing the education crisis are proposing solutions that would only waste more classroom time and exclude many students from graduating despite fulfilling their current requirements.


:palm: Dear god these people are losing it (not that they haven't already).

I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.

^ Isn't that what those who decided to join the military take and those who are sworn into a public office? Mighty! I'm more awe stricken than anything else, I thought the GOP crazy train had left ages ago, what is this the GOP crazy express!?

This is the party that claims to be all for "small" government yet what we're seeing right here is more government restriction into ones personal life. No wonder why they keep losing support and they don't understand. I can see it now already next up GOP controlled states will pass laws restricting non-Christians from being able to vote.


"You started your post off with 'Dear god', clearly this is insensitive to atheists and those who do not believe in God. Just when it seemed NS users couldn't get any crazier, now it seems like they are trying to restrict their threads to the religious by including 'Dear god' in posts. Anyone who continues to supports these NS users and their authoritarian methods of pushing religion may as well come out and say 'I hate black people, women's rights, and endorse rape'." - Concerned Atheist
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:30 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The US is a Theist nation. The 1% atheists can move to an Atheist nation if they don't want to say it.

I think your numbers are off by an order of magnitude, and your reckonings are off by an order of bigotry.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:31 am

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:The US is a Theist nation. The 1% atheists can move to an Atheist nation if they don't want to say it.

The US is not a "theist nation", it is a secular nation.

It is hyper majority Theist. Thus it is a Theist nation.
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:31 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:The US is not a "theist nation", it is a secular nation.

It is hyper majority Theist. Thus it is a Theist nation.

No, it isn't. And tyranny of the majority is never a good thing.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:32 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:The US is not a "theist nation", it is a secular nation.

It is hyper majority Theist. Thus it is a Theist nation.

Oh Christ, you're actually serious. Please, lrn2Constitution.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:33 am

Sophian wrote:
New West Guiana wrote:GOP getting crazier and crazier and scarier.


:palm: Dear god these people are losing it (not that they haven't already).


^ Isn't that what those who decided to join the military take and those who are sworn into a public office? Mighty! I'm more awe stricken than anything else, I thought the GOP crazy train had left ages ago, what is this the GOP crazy express!?

This is the party that claims to be all for "small" government yet what we're seeing right here is more government restriction into ones personal life. No wonder why they keep losing support and they don't understand. I can see it now already next up GOP controlled states will pass laws restricting non-Christians from being able to vote.


"You started your post off with 'Dear god', clearly this is insensitive to atheists and those who do not believe in God. Just when it seemed NS users couldn't get any crazier, now it seems like they are trying to restrict their threads to the religious by including 'Dear god' in posts. Anyone who continues to supports these NS users and their authoritarian methods of pushing religion may as well come out and say 'I hate black people, women's rights, and endorse rape'." - Concerned Atheist

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:34 am

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It is hyper majority Theist. Thus it is a Theist nation.

No, it isn't. And tyranny of the majority is never a good thing.

66% Alone are Christian, not to mention the other religious groups. It is democracy, it is the right of the majority.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:35 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:No, it isn't. And tyranny of the majority is never a good thing.

66% Alone are Christian, not to mention the other religious groups. It is democracy, it is the right of the majority.

So if more than half of the population wants to murder somebody then murder should be legal. Good to know.
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:35 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:No, it isn't. And tyranny of the majority is never a good thing.

66% Alone are Christian, not to mention the other religious groups. It is democracy, it is the right of the majority.

So if the majority supported legalizing murder, rape, and genocide you'd be a-OK with it?
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Postby Sophian » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:36 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Sophian wrote:
"You started your post off with 'Dear god', clearly this is insensitive to atheists and those who do not believe in God. Just when it seemed NS users couldn't get any crazier, now it seems like they are trying to restrict their threads to the religious by including 'Dear god' in posts. Anyone who continues to supports these NS users and their authoritarian methods of pushing religion may as well come out and say 'I hate black people, women's rights, and endorse rape'." - Concerned Atheist

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Bill Maher: "You have to admit that there are people who do want to kill Americans."
Mos Def: "Yeah, some of them are called the police."

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:36 am

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:66% Alone are Christian, not to mention the other religious groups. It is democracy, it is the right of the majority.

So if the majority supported legalizing murder, rape, and genocide you'd be a-OK with it?

Not really, but its democracy. It is a horrid system, might as well legalize horrid things.
Gay and Proudand also a brony
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:38 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Not really, but its democracy. It is a horrid system, might as well legalize horrid things.

I cannot take you seriously if you think legalizing murder, rape, and genocide is fine as long as the majority agrees with it. You're going completely against what the founding fathers believed and what our society stands upon.


I'm out.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:39 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:So if the majority supported legalizing murder, rape, and genocide you'd be a-OK with it?

Not really, but its democracy. It is a horrid system, might as well legalize horrid things.

It's a good thing most Christians in America are more tolerant than you, then. And that we have this little thing called the Constitution that gives everybody the freedom to worship who they want, what they want, or nothing at all.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:39 am

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Not really, but its democracy. It is a horrid system, might as well legalize horrid things.

I cannot take you seriously if you think legalizing murder, rape, and genocide is fine as long as the majority agrees with it. You're going completely against what the founding fathers believed and what our society stands upon.


I'm out.

Guess what:Democracy is built upon the will of the people.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:39 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Not really, but its democracy. It is a horrid system, might as well legalize horrid things.

It's a good thing most Christians in America are more tolerant than you, then. And that we have this little thing called the Constitution that gives everybody the freedom to worship who they want, what they want, or nothing at all.

It says freedom of religion, not from.
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Postby Sophian » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:40 am

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Not really, but its democracy. It is a horrid system, might as well legalize horrid things.

I cannot take you seriously if you think legalizing murder, rape, and genocide is fine as long as the majority agrees with it. You're going completely against what the founding fathers believed and what our society stands upon.


I'm out.


Yeah bro. Majority approved human life ceasing can not be taken seriously, unless its called abortion.
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Bill Maher: "You have to admit that there are people who do want to kill Americans."
Mos Def: "Yeah, some of them are called the police."

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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:40 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:I cannot take you seriously if you think legalizing murder, rape, and genocide is fine as long as the majority agrees with it. You're going completely against what the founding fathers believed and what our society stands upon.


I'm out.

Guess what:Democracy is built upon the will of the people.

Not all of it is. There's a reason no modern country has direct democracy and has some form of a constitution.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:40 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:It's a good thing most Christians in America are more tolerant than you, then. And that we have this little thing called the Constitution that gives everybody the freedom to worship who they want, what they want, or nothing at all.

It says freedom of religion, not from.

It also says that I have the right to speak freely but not the right not to speak freely. Does this mean I need to be talking every waking second?
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:41 am

Sophian wrote:
Divair wrote:I cannot take you seriously if you think legalizing murder, rape, and genocide is fine as long as the majority agrees with it. You're going completely against what the founding fathers believed and what our society stands upon.


I'm out.


Yeah bro. Majority approved human life ceasing can not be taken seriously, unless its called abortion.

Don't try to derail. If you want to whine about abortion, go find one of the hundreds of abortion threads.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:42 am

Divair wrote:
Sophian wrote:
Yeah bro. Majority approved human life ceasing can not be taken seriously, unless its called abortion.

Don't try to derail. If you want to whine about abortion, go find one of the hundreds of abortion threads.

Actually I think one of the mods nixed those for the next few months.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:42 am

Divair wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Guess what:Democracy is built upon the will of the people.

Not all of it is. There's a reason no modern country has direct democracy and has some form of a constitution.

Though techichally that is violating the theory of democracy, which is meant to be government ruled by the people. Electing representatives to do it is not rule by the people.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:43 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It says freedom of religion, not from.

It also says that I have the right to speak freely but not the right not to speak freely. Does this mean I need to be talking every waking second?

What?
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:43 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Divair wrote:Not all of it is. There's a reason no modern country has direct democracy and has some form of a constitution.

Though techichally that is violating the theory of democracy, which is meant to be government ruled by the people. Electing representatives to do it is not rule by the people.

Because democracy always means absolute democracy.
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