Not allow Atheists to graduate from HS? GOP says yes!

[Arcturus Novus]

Of all the times there is no table flip smiley, a facepalm must suffice.

[Ethel mermania]

so people who do not support the constitution as it currently stands are not entitled to representation?

their entitled to smart representation. which passing bills you admit will be overturned Ain't. thats called being a petty shit.

so your going to pick who is qualified to represent someone else? that is not a very democratic attitude. Very liberal position, yes, democratic and free, no.

[Distributist Chestertonia]

Blah blah blah, WHO CARES?

They never get anything done anyway! That's one reason why I'm not one of them.

[The UK in Exile]

their entitled to smart representation. which passing bills you admit will be overturned Ain't. thats called being a petty shit.

so your going to pick who is qualified to represent someone else? that is not a very democratic attitude. Very liberal position, yes, democratic and free, no.

Section. 2.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

not a very democratic country, apparently.

[Ethel mermania]

so people who do not support the constitution as it currently stands are not entitled to representation?

How deep did you have to reach to grab that conclusion?

not very, bottle called for the automatic impeachment of legislators who propose bills that on their face look unconstitutional, and you agreed.

although to be fair to you, you would apply it to both sides of the aisle, i doubt bottle would.

[Ethel mermania]

so your going to pick who is qualified to represent someone else? that is not a very democratic attitude. Very liberal position, yes, democratic and free, no.

Section. 2.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

not a very democratic country, apparently.

that is lovely. is your point that a residency requirement for reprrsentatation of a population, is the same as a requirement of political belief?

[The UK in Exile]

not a very democratic country, apparently.

that is lovely.vis your point that a residency requirement for reprrsentatation of a population, is the same as a requirement of political belief?

is your point that political belief is the same thing as competence? or are we changing the subject?

[Panshu]

Why should government or institution taking government money officially refer to Christian god?

Or any gods at all.

The U.S. does have separation of church and state. However, this does not mean that individual citizens must refrain from using religion in a public space, or that schools can't sponsor religious or nonreligious activities of students as long as they do so equally. This logic allows prayer groups to exist in public schools. And perhaps teaching comparative religions classes would prevent tragedies like the Wisconsin Sikh shooting.

This oath should be optional, or different faith groups can choose to omit "so help me God". The only way for this proposal to pass is for it to be amended such.

Who gives a fuck if we aren't separated entirely from religion yet? We're working on it. And we ARE seperated from religion. Just not 100%.

On the topic of the U.S. government and religion, Americans in general have always thought of themselves as a people blessed by God or gods, from the Pilgrims to Martin Luther King, Jr. If you outlaw a people's right to their culture in public, you outlaw everything the U.S. stands for.

[Great Nepal]

How deep did you have to reach to grab that conclusion?

not very, bottle called for the automatic impeachment of legislators who propose bills that on their face look unconstitutional, and you agreed.

although to be fair to you, you would apply it to both sides of the aisle, i doubt bottle would.

If they are deliberately proposing/ passing bills with knowledge that it is unconstitutional cant they be prosecuted for violating their oath? They took oath to "support the Constitution of the United States" and by passing bills that are unconstitutional they are not following it.

[Dyakovo]

How deep did you have to reach to grab that conclusion?

not very, bottle called for the automatic impeachment of legislators who propose bills that on their face look unconstitutional, and you agreed.

although to be fair to you, you would apply it to both sides of the aisle, i doubt bottle would.

I suggest you re-read what I wrote, because that is not what I said.

[Ethel mermania]

that is lovely.vis your point that a residency requirement for reprrsentatation of a population, is the same as a requirement of political belief?

is your point that political belief is the same thing as competence? or are we changing the subject?

what is political belief to some is incompetence to others. and no i am not applying the litmus test, you are.

is it possible for you to discuss something like an adult without cursing and flinging insults?

[The UK in Exile]

is your point that political belief is the same thing as competence? or are we changing the subject?

what is political belief to some is incompetence to others. and no i am not applying the litmus test, you are.

is it possible for you to discuss something like an adult without cursing and flinging insults?

not only is it possible for me to discuss something like an adult without cursing and flinging insults, its possible for me to discuss something like an adult whilst cursing and flinging insults. though I hasten to point out, I haven't insulted anyone who has contributed to the thread, or even anyone who posted.

what is political belief to some is incompetence to others.

which is why the starting point was that the constitution provides an impartial test. anyone who's says "I know this is unconstitutional, but....." has essentially confessed to not doing his job.

[Ethel mermania]

not very, bottle called for the automatic impeachment of legislators who propose bills that on their face look unconstitutional, and you agreed.

although to be fair to you, you would apply it to both sides of the aisle, i doubt bottle would.

I suggest you re-read what I wrote, because that is not what I said.

you wrote, i paraphrase, it is a pain in the ass to quote on the phone, that if the sponsers of the bill know it is unconstitional, that they should be automaticly impeached. which was bottles position.

i asked if that would apply to the gun bills, you said yes.

which as you know the one in ny will not pass muster, and a couple of the sponsors have pretty much said so. so from your statement i assume you want them impeached as well.

you are at least applying your test evenly, and i think it is not a test that should be applied.

i wonder if this would be easier on a phablet?

[Ethel mermania]

not very, bottle called for the automatic impeachment of legislators who propose bills that on their face look unconstitutional, and you agreed.

although to be fair to you, you would apply it to both sides of the aisle, i doubt bottle would.

If they are deliberately proposing/ passing bills with knowledge that it is unconstitutional cant they be prosecuted for violating their oath? They took oath to "support the Constitution of the United States" and by passing bills that are unconstitutional they are not following it.

hmm presidents and judges do and that is federal, i dont know about congresspeople, and this case is in AZ, and i dont know what their legislators swear too.

i woukd argue that as the constitution has a mechanism for change, they can propose "currently unconstitutional legislation" to build political support for that change. Also by stopping them from proposing that legislation is an impingment of their free speech.

your point is a very different conversation.

[Wesibaden]

Lul the left spreading propaganda about the GoP

its sad when the left act like children like they always do

Btw that source is a Fail

[Sophian]

GOP getting crazier and crazier and scarier.

A group of Arizona politicians — all Republicans, of course — have proposed a law (House Bill 2467) requiring public high school students to recite the following oath in order to graduate:

Kevin Bondelli adds:

In other words, if this bill were to become a law, atheists would either not be allowed to graduate… or they would be forced to lie so they could graduate. Neither option is acceptable.
Mike Sunnucks of the Phoenix Business Journal points out another problem:
The Arizona bill could also face legal challenges if it is approved.

This bill is the work of Representatives Bob Thorpe, Sonny Borrelli, Carl Seel, T.J. Shope, Jeff Dial, David Livingston, Chester Crandell, and Steve Smith.
Smith and Shope have also introduced legislation demanding that all students in grades 1-12 recite the Pledge of Allegiance (with “Under God”) every day. At least in that bill, students can get out of saying it with their parents’ permission.
No such exemption exists in the Loyalty Oath.
Keep in mind that in both cases, the bills do not help children get a better education. That’s the saddest thing about all this. The people who are in charge of fixing the education crisis are proposing solutions that would only waste more classroom time and exclude many students from graduating despite fulfilling their current requirements.

Dear god these people are losing it (not that they haven't already).

I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.

^ Isn't that what those who decided to join the military take and those who are sworn into a public office? Mighty! I'm more awe stricken than anything else, I thought the GOP crazy train had left ages ago, what is this the GOP crazy express!?

This is the party that claims to be all for "small" government yet what we're seeing right here is more government restriction into ones personal life. No wonder why they keep losing support and they don't understand. I can see it now already next up GOP controlled states will pass laws restricting non-Christians from being able to vote.

This is an inappropriate requirement proposal. Though, if one believes God doesn't exist, why fear or fret taking an oath to non-existence?

[Dyakovo]

I suggest you re-read what I wrote, because that is not what I said.

you wrote, i paraphrase, it is a pain in the ass to quote on the phone, that if the sponsers of the bill know it is unconstitional, that they should be automaticly impeached. which was bottles position.

i asked if that would apply to the gun bills, you said yes.

which as you know the one in ny will not pass muster, and a couple of the sponsors have pretty much said so. so from your statement i assume you want them impeached as well.

you are at least applying your test evenly, and i think it is not a test that should be applied.

i wonder if this would be easier on a phablet?

You think that legislators who introduce bills that they freely admit are unconstitutional are doing their job? I certainly don't.
It's one thing to introduce and/or pass a bill that ends up being found unconstitutional, quite another to do so with a bill that you're on record as saying is unconstitutional.
Now, can you provide a corresponding example with a gun- control bill?

[Dyakovo]

Lul the left spreading propaganda about the GoP

its sad when the left act like children like they always do

Btw that source is a Fail

Exactly how is the source "a fail"?

[The Black Forrest]

Lul the left spreading propaganda about the GoP

its sad when the left act like children like they always do

Btw that source is a Fail

What's sad is the GoP make is to you don't even have to make shit up.

This is batch is barking at the moon crazy.

But I understand your frustration at having to defend to this batch of loons.

[Oneracon]

Lul the left spreading propaganda about the GoP

its sad when the left act like children like they always do

Btw that source is a Fail

What would make a source not "a fail"?

[Greed and Death]

If they dropped the so help me god part then sure.

Though I could set up a business accepting transfers from public high school students who otherwise qualify to graduate and give them a diploma.

I figure my oath will go over better:
I do solemnly swear to be as greedy as possible, to take as much as I can from the commons and give as little as I can in return.

[Wisconsin9]

If they dropped the so help me god part then sure.

Though I could set up a business accepting transfers from public high school students who otherwise qualify to graduate and give them a diploma.

I figure my oath will go over better:
I do solemnly swear to be as greedy as possible, to take as much as I can from the commons and give as little as I can in return.

If you let us choose whatever oath we wanted then you'd have my business.

[The Black Forrest]

If they dropped the so help me god part then sure.

Though I could set up a business accepting transfers from public high school students who otherwise qualify to graduate and give them a diploma.

I figure my oath will go over better:
I do solemnly swear to be as greedy as possible, to take as much as I can from the commons and give as little as I can in return.

You patriot!

[Cannot think of a name]

Lul the left spreading propaganda about the GoP

its sad when the left act like children like they always do

Btw that source is a Fail

Bill text

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

The US is a Theist nation. The 1% atheists can move to an Atheist nation if they don't want to say it.