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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:03 am

Laerod wrote:
Zottistan wrote:It does when you're fed the concept of belief since you were four. It requires the rejection of some of the earliest things we're taught.

Which is not true of everyone, ergo Dya is correct.

Indeed, my first real introduction to religion didn't come until I was in bootcamp.
Sure, at Christmas time my cousins would mention "God" and "Jesus" but it meant absolutely nothing to me. Beyond that religion was something primitive people made up to explain the as yet inexplicable.
It wasn't until I went to church services during bootcamp that I realized people still adhered to such an outdated concept.
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Postby Tekania » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:05 am

Euronion wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:The oath I took did not include "so help me god".


So if the oath said "so help me Satan" instead, you'd still be okay with it? Or is it only okay because its endorsing your magic sky faerie?


Being rude will not enforce your point. It's specific not ambigious, there is no Jewish Satan or Muslim Satan so therefore no, it would not be okay. The Supreme Court has ruled that as long as it says "God" and not say "Jesus Christ" then it is perfectly Constitutional.


Neither the oath he nor I took, in enlisting in the United States military required us to say "so help me God". Maybe once this tidbit of truth sinks in, you'll finally get it.
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Postby Illte » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:06 am

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Illte wrote:Can you read, Atheist? I've come to the conclusion that atheism has to be fought, because it is fanaticism. That's the same as what I said about this "law". It has to be fought because it is fanaticism. And where do I say anything about what you call "an imaginary friend in the sky"?

The only thing I'm saying about my faith is that fanaticism has to be stopped. Whatever else I may or may not believe in are not a topic for your fanaticism. Now, get lost atheist! Even when we agree, you just can't contain yourself, you just has to bash some heads claiming your bloody superiority over everyone else. You're some really sick bastards.


Id like to find an atheist extremist group. Have atheists ever gone into a church and prevented a service like say Operation Rescue going into an abortion clinic and trying to prevent abortions. Have atheists ever gotten onto a bus and suicide bombed on it like a muslim extremist?


To answer in kind: Has Christians ever bashed heads in an Internet discussion threads, just to run to "mamma" for protection when they meet opposition?

Human ethic atheist as a whole are an extremist group. They fight for the power to abolish all other faiths than their own.
Atheism has to be stopped, even if that means the end of free speech and free thought.
Atheists claim freedom of religion has to include freedom from religion, but as freedom from religion cannot exist unless humans cease to exist the obvious conclusion is that atheists wants to eradicate the human race.

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Postby Zottistan » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:07 am

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Zottistan wrote:That's not the point. If you were raised religious, as most children are, atheism requires rejection of teachings. If you weren't raised religious, it doesn't, because lack of belief is the default stance, but in the overwhelming majority of cases in the western world, atheism requires rejection.
EDIT: Atheism in it's own right requires no rejection, but in the world today, it usually requires rejection of much of what many people have been raised believing.

I bolded the key. You'd have saved yourself a lot of trouble if you just said this from the start.

Yeah, I'm not always the best at getting points across.
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Postby Silentvoice » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:07 am

to op: Don't you think your interpretation is a little extreme as well?

I'm pretty certain GOP doesn't say "Atheists cannot graduate".
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:07 am

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Cevalo Nacio wrote:
Id like to find an atheist extremist group. Have atheists ever gone into a church and prevented a service like say Operation Rescue going into an abortion clinic and trying to prevent abortions. Have atheists ever gotten onto a bus and suicide bombed on it like a muslim extremist?

They have in the past, and a few extremists probably still do.

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Postby Tekania » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:09 am

Dyakovo wrote:
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What's the purpose of swearing in members of the military or those who take Public Office?

They actually have specific duties required of them.
What duties are required of ordinary citizens?


The correct answer to this is of course none.... citizens should owe no duty to the government..... Whereas those whom take on some form of office or trust certainly do owe a duty to the people.
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:13 am

Illte wrote:To answer in kind: Has Christians ever bashed heads in an Internet discussion threads, just to run to "mamma" for protection when they meet opposition?

Yes, all the time. We get it though, you're still butthurt over the fact that you got smacked for breaking site rules.
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Postby Nidaria » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:14 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Illte wrote:To answer in kind: Has Christians ever bashed heads in an Internet discussion threads, just to run to "mamma" for protection when they meet opposition?

Yes, all the time. We get it though, you're still butthurt over the fact that you got smacked for breaking site rules.

All groups on NSG have broken the site rules at one time or another.
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Postby Cevalo Nacio » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:14 am

Nidaria wrote:
Cevalo Nacio wrote:
Id like to find an atheist extremist group. Have atheists ever gone into a church and prevented a service like say Operation Rescue going into an abortion clinic and trying to prevent abortions. Have atheists ever gotten onto a bus and suicide bombed on it like a muslim extremist?

They have in the past, and a few extremists probably still do.


point me to an incident if you could so please. And really anti-church activism can be a good thing when it comes to fighting back a detestable anti-queer agenda of freaks who wish to indoctrinate everyone with their ideals

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:15 am

Illte wrote:
Cevalo Nacio wrote:
Id like to find an atheist extremist group. Have atheists ever gone into a church and prevented a service like say Operation Rescue going into an abortion clinic and trying to prevent abortions. Have atheists ever gotten onto a bus and suicide bombed on it like a muslim extremist?


To answer in kind: Has Christians ever bashed heads in an Internet discussion threads, just to run to "mamma" for protection when they meet opposition?

Human ethic atheist as a whole are an extremist group. They fight for the power to abolish all other faiths than their own.


It's funny, because you're bullshitting about what you believe atheists to be without any sort of facts supporting your point of view.

The subject discussed in this topic and its OP is further proof of why no one should ever vote for the modern GOP, ever.
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Postby Bottle » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:16 am

Nidaria wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Yes, all the time. We get it though, you're still butthurt over the fact that you got smacked for breaking site rules.

All groups on NSG have broken the site rules at one time or another.

And, apparently, having done so is the worst thing atheists have ever done. At least that's what Illte seems to be arguing, given that it was the only parallel he could offer when someone asked for examples of atheists blowing up churches or murdering religious believers in an effort to stamp out religion.
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Postby Nidaria » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:16 am

Cevalo Nacio wrote:
Nidaria wrote:They have in the past, and a few extremists probably still do.


point me to an incident if you could so please. And really anti-church activism can be a good thing when it comes to fighting back a detestable anti-queer agenda of freaks who wish to indoctrinate everyone with their ideals

The communist revolutions of the twentieth century has myriads of examples. You claim that we are fed propaganda....
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Postby Cevalo Nacio » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:18 am

Illte wrote:
Cevalo Nacio wrote:
Id like to find an atheist extremist group. Have atheists ever gone into a church and prevented a service like say Operation Rescue going into an abortion clinic and trying to prevent abortions. Have atheists ever gotten onto a bus and suicide bombed on it like a muslim extremist?


To answer in kind: Has Christians ever bashed heads in an Internet discussion threads, just to run to "mamma" for protection when they meet opposition?

Human ethic atheist as a whole are an extremist group. They fight for the power to abolish all other faiths than their own.


I think comparing some internet pettieness on the part of some neckbeard atheists to religous extremists who kill people all the time to be highly offensive. Your more or less diluting the meaning of the word extremism and making everything horrible.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:19 am

Nidaria wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Yes, all the time. We get it though, you're still butthurt over the fact that you got smacked for breaking site rules.

All groups on NSG have broken the site rules at one time or another.

Yuppers...
Most people accept their warning and move on, making an effort to not break the rules again, at least not in the same way...
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Postby Cevalo Nacio » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:20 am

Nidaria wrote:
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point me to an incident if you could so please. And really anti-church activism can be a good thing when it comes to fighting back a detestable anti-queer agenda of freaks who wish to indoctrinate everyone with their ideals

The communist revolutions of the twentieth century has myriads of examples. You claim that we are fed propaganda....


That wasnt in itself militiant atheism though. That was replacing religion with a cult of personality around Soviet Communism. While thats wrong, no atheists today want to do that except for members of marginal communist parties.

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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:20 am

...What an absolute non-issue.
You know what? I quit, this place blows.

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Postby The Nation of Fire » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:22 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:...What an absolute non-issue.

i declare war on your nation you and your nation will fall

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:24 am

The nation of fire wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:...What an absolute non-issue.

i declare war on your nation you and your nation will fall
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:25 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:...What an absolute non-issue.

'Bout sums it up, as far as I'm concerned.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:27 am

Howdoyoudoland wrote:...What an absolute non-issue.

So you would be find with swearing allegiance to the People's Republic of China and doing so in Satan's name?
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Postby Bottle » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:28 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:...What an absolute non-issue.

So you would be find with swearing allegiance to the People's Republic of China and doing so in Satan's name?

For me, the issue isn't even about the actual oath, it's about the FUCKING WASTE OF TIME that these legislators are engaging in. THAT is an issue. Our country is in serious trouble right now, we have serious issues to deal with, and these people are on our payroll. It absolutely is an issue to me when someone on my payroll is fucking around and not doing their job.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:30 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:...What an absolute non-issue.

So you would be find with swearing allegiance to the People's Republic of China and doing so in Satan's name?

Speaking for myself, yeah. I'd be fine with that.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:32 am

Bottle wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So you would be find with swearing allegiance to the People's Republic of China and doing so in Satan's name?

For me, the issue isn't even about the actual oath, it's about the FUCKING WASTE OF TIME that these legislators are engaging in. THAT is an issue. Our country is in serious trouble right now, we have serious issues to deal with, and these people are on our payroll. It absolutely is an issue to me when someone on my payroll is fucking around and not doing their job.

Well, yeah... That too...
It's especially ridiculous when you think about the detail that these retards probably ran on the platform of "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs"...
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Postby Condunum » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:35 am

Nidaria wrote:Once again, a misleading title. :roll:
Seriously, why should you mind an oath?

Why? Because if I want to make that oath, id join the fucking army.
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