EU Referendum in UK. Should Britain stay in the EU?

[Larban]

Do you think that the UK should remain in the EU and why?

[Gordano and Lysandus]

I'm very much complicated on the European Union.

I don't support the current incarnation of the European Union, no. I don't like the idea of federalising European, which threatens a great deal of royal culture in the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Denmark etc, as well as trying to interfere in the workings of countries: trying to force the United Kingdom to give prisoners the vote or Angela Merkel's proposal to have the EU Fiscal Commissioner able to reject a nation's budget. Thus, it's a question of sovereignty.

I do support the idea of a Union in Europe, however I feel that the current one is not only something which infringes on the sovereignty of nations, but was not the one that the United Kingdom consented to in the 70s. It's changed drastically since the European Economic Community and so I do believe that "fresh consent" should be sought.

If a new European Union, consisting of a confederation of independent states working together voluntarily to support each other economically, were to come about, I'd be perfectly happy to support it. It should be a partnership between nations, not a hodgepodge of bureaucracy and breachs of sovereignty over minor issues like the disenfranchisement of prisoners.

That isn't to say that I'm opposed to human rights. I find the European Court of Human Rights to be a useful necessity in a modern Europe for ensuring rights, but it's there for violations against minorities or other serious breaches against the European Charter of Human Rights (based upon the International Bill of Human Rights), which is where I do indeed think that action must be taken.

My view could be considered very unusual, I have a rather unique outlook on politics, but that's my two pennies worth.

[Scholencia]

I do support the idea of a Union in Europe, however I feel that the current one is not only something which infringes on the sovereignty of nations, but was not the one that the United Kingdom consented to in the 70s. It's changed drastically since the European Economic Community and so I do believe that "fresh consent" should be sought.

You obviously havent read Schumanns declaration.

[Blouman Empire]

Can't we add this to the current thread? It's only on the second page

[L Ron Cupboard]

I am pro-EU, I think leaving would be bad for our economy, reducing not only access to a large market for our exports but also reducing the incentive for US investment in the UK. However, my two closest friends are Euro-sceptic, which suggests to me that if a referendum is held then the result would be a decision to leave.

We have already had a referendum on this. We have not had one on legalising cannabis (which I think would get a large positive vote as well). This is why I don't particularly like referendums - they are promised by political parties for little more than electioneering.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Any referendum should be on to what extent we are part of the EU (Eurozone, Schengen agreement, repatriation of powers etc), not the black and white choice we have now.

[Divair]

Hopefully they decide to stay.

[Laerod]

Any referendum should be on to what extent we are part of the EU (Eurozone, Schengen agreement, repatriation of powers etc), not the black and white choice we have now.

Repatriation of powers is a black and white choice.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Any referendum should be on to what extent we are part of the EU (Eurozone, Schengen agreement, repatriation of powers etc), not the black and white choice we have now.

Repatriation of powers is a black and white choice.

Depends as to which powers they want back. Taking every single power back from Brussels will get you kicked out of the EU, anyway.

[Laerod]

Repatriation of powers is a black and white choice.

Depends as to which powers they want back. Taking every single power back from Brussels will get you kicked out of the EU, anyway.

No, it doesn't. No one's getting powers back unless everybody does, and it's pretty clear that it'll get vetoed.

[The UK in Exile]

I'm very much complicated on the European Union.

I don't support the current incarnation of the European Union, no. I don't like the idea of federalising European, which threatens a great deal of royal culture in the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Denmark etc, as well as trying to interfere in the workings of countries: trying to force the United Kingdom to give prisoners the vote or Angela Merkel's proposal to have the EU Fiscal Commissioner able to reject a nation's budget. Thus, it's a question of sovereignty.

I do support the idea of a Union in Europe, however I feel that the current one is not only something which infringes on the sovereignty of nations, but was not the one that the United Kingdom consented to in the 70s. It's changed drastically since the European Economic Community and so I do believe that "fresh consent" should be sought.

If a new European Union, consisting of a confederation of independent states working together voluntarily to support each other economically, were to come about, I'd be perfectly happy to support it. It should be a partnership between nations, not a hodgepodge of bureaucracy and breachs of sovereignty over minor issues like the disenfranchisement of prisoners.

That isn't to say that I'm opposed to human rights. I find the European Court of Human Rights to be a useful necessity in a modern Europe for ensuring rights, but it's there for violations against minorities or other serious breaches against the European Charter of Human Rights (based upon the International Bill of Human Rights), which is where I do indeed think that action must be taken.

My view could be considered very unusual, I have a rather unique outlook on politics, but that's my two pennies worth.

the ECHR And the EU are two different things. were we to leave the EU we would still obey the ECHR.

[BushSucks-istan]

No, they should get out! And I hope my country follows them!

[Great Nepal]

Any referendum should be on to what extent we are part of the EU (Eurozone, Schengen agreement, repatriation of powers etc), not the black and white choice we have now.

No, Cameron's promise is better idea.
Government negotiates with EU for repatriation of powers and gets the best deal. The deal is then put to public: stay in EU with negotiated terms or get out.

[Churchilland]

As the EU currently stands, I dislike it, bit think it would be bad if we left due to the economic reasons, if the PM can try and alter our membership, I think that would be much better, in other words, just be in the free trade and consumer rights part of the EU and not the Federalisation part of it...

[Divair]

Everyone should read this before commenting:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=201985

[Laerod]

Any referendum should be on to what extent we are part of the EU (Eurozone, Schengen agreement, repatriation of powers etc), not the black and white choice we have now.

No, Cameron's promise is better idea.
Government negotiates with EU for repatriation of powers and gets the best deal. The deal is then put to public: stay in EU with negotiated terms or get out.

There won't be any negotiations.

[Laerod]

As the EU currently stands, I dislike it, bit think it would be bad if we left due to the economic reasons, if the PM can try and alter our membership, I think that would be much better, in other words, just be in the free trade and consumer rights part of the EU and not the Federalisation part of it...

They can't.

[Great Nepal]

No, Cameron's promise is better idea.
Government negotiates with EU for repatriation of powers and gets the best deal. The deal is then put to public: stay in EU with negotiated terms or get out.

There won't be any negotiations.

There will provided conservatives win next election.
It is in no one's interest to see UK leave EU and majority of British support leaving UK if repatriation is not achieved; negotiations and repatriations of powers will take place.

[The UK in Exile]

There won't be any negotiations.

There will provided conservatives win next election.
It is in no one's interest to see UK leave EU and majority of British support leaving UK if repatriation is not achieved; negotiations and repatriations of powers will take place.

they won't.

Cameron hasn't said he'll back leaving if repatriation is not acheived. he dodged the question.

[Laerod]

There won't be any negotiations.

There will provided conservatives win next election.
It is in no one's interest to see UK leave EU and majority of British support leaving UK if repatriation is not achieved; negotiations and repatriations of powers will take place.

It takes two to negotiate. No one but the UK is interested in further appeasing the UK. That's been made expressly clear by everyone in the aftermath of Cameron's speech. They'd like to keep the UK in the EU, but not at any cost. Britain's gotten enough sugar blown up its ass and no one is interested in giving them even more.

[Great Nepal]

There will provided conservatives win next election.
It is in no one's interest to see UK leave EU and majority of British support leaving UK if repatriation is not achieved; negotiations and repatriations of powers will take place.

they won't.

Cameron hasn't said he'll back leaving if repatriation is not acheived. he dodged the question.

If he spent millions of referendum and he will have to public vote, especially if he campaigns to leave EU which I think he said he will if repatriation wasn't achieved.
That will be like me spending two hundred pounds on types of alcohol, saying we should have wine on our party and when everyone agrees saying we should have beer instead.

[The UK in Exile]

they won't.

Cameron hasn't said he'll back leaving if repatriation is not acheived. he dodged the question.

If he spent millions of referendum and he will have to public vote, especially if he campaigns to leave EU which I think he said he will if repatriation wasn't achieved.
That will be like me spending two hundred pounds on types of alcohol, saying we should have wine on our party and when everyone agrees saying we should have beer instead.

the referendum is dependent on the outcome of the negotations. regardless of if he said he will campaign to leave EU if repatriation wasn't achieved (he didn't).

its more like someone coming back from the off-license and saying the place was closed and the party is off.

[The Diomede Islands]

The idea that we 'renegotiate' is preposterous. It would require the agreement of every members state and would take years of compromise. What we should be doing is invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, pulling out, and then agreeing a new relationship that is to our liking. It will be quicker, easier and a damn sight less expensive.

[The UK in Exile]

The idea that we 'renegotiate' is preposterous. It would require the agreement of every members state and would take years of compromise. What we should be doing is invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, pulling out, and then agreeing a new relationship that is to our liking. It will be quicker, easier and a damn sight less expensive.

that would also require the agreement of every member state and take years of compromise.

[Laerod]

The idea that we 'renegotiate' is preposterous. It would require the agreement of every members state and would take years of compromise. What we should be doing is invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, pulling out, and then agreeing a new relationship that is to our liking. It will be quicker, easier and a damn sight less expensive.

The idea that you're getting a better relationship than the one you already have is laughable.