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Do you think a Civil War/Revolution is coming soon?

Yes! I will die for our rights and all of my brothers and sisters along side me!
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16%
Yes! But I will only fight for my family.
11
3%
Yes, but I would not fight for our rights.
3
1%
Yes! I will fight for Obama and his Totalitarian Regime!
22
6%
Maybe. Will Fight
18
5%
Maybe. Won't Fight.
7
2%
No, and you are crazy
173
50%
No, but I would fight
23
7%
No, Obama is God.
18
5%
No Input
17
5%
 
Total votes : 349

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Postby New Byzantine-Japan » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:28 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force. Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up. In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically. I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government. What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens, buying 1.6 Million Cartridges, and disarming all US Citizens?

The government has been overstepping it's Constitutional bounds for decades; they're just smart enough to do it slowly (and probably with the best intentions) instead of all at once. An AWB, even if it passes, won't be the straw that broke the camels back anymore than the NDAA/etc was. In my opinion, the Feds will continue to whittle away at our rights for "our own good" indefinitely. If the people didn't revolt over the internment of innocent Japanese civilians or the confiscation of legally owned guns during Katrina, I think that just shows you how much the majority would be willing to let the government get away with under certain circumstances...
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Postby Creative Vikings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:28 pm

Bering wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:And Yautja Hunters?

They are Huntist, hence they will side with the govt in exchange for free range on the rebel forces

Huntist?

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Postby Alekera » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:28 pm

Milgram experiment...

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:28 pm

Creative Vikings wrote:
Repulaea wrote:Well yes, actually.

Oh dear :meh:
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Postby Guadalupador » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:29 pm

Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....
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Postby Bering » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:30 pm

Creative Vikings wrote:
Bering wrote:They are Huntist, hence they will side with the govt in exchange for free range on the rebel forces

Huntist?

they are firm believers in the hunt, so as long as they can stalk and kill people they will support you

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Postby Tovakestan » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:30 pm

As much as I love The Second Ammendment, I do agree with Obama. I don't really need a 30 round clip attached to a Fully Automatic to defend my home and family. I'm happy as long as he doesn't go too far and/or ban hunting.

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Postby Korvallian Reich » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:31 pm

Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:31 pm

Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


Being a traitor isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Postby Alekera » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:32 pm

Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


hypocritical?

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:32 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

All 0 Socialists in the US government.
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Postby Zathganastan » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:32 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

One doesn't attempt a coup on their own government administration, you and all people like you are simply traitors.
Also we've already been over this Obama is in no way a socialist.
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Postby New Babylonia » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:33 pm

The Elven Imperium wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force. Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up. In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically. I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government. What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens, buying 1.6 Million Cartridges, and disarming all US Citizens?

modedit: Lets not say we did, kk? Discussion of the topic is fine, recruiting for a militia is not, not here.


Hey buddy newsflash do you think a few disorganized hicks with assault rifles are going to stop a modern army with laser guided bombs, Predators, nuclear weapons, and tanks. The 2nd Amendment was written when we didn't have modern arms or modern society. It was acceptable in the past like the Articles of Confederation.



Yes, actually, they could. If enough of the nation takes up arms, you better believe that for once quantity is going to beat the shit of quality. It'll have a broken nose, a bunch of bruises, sure, but tens of millions, possibly 100 million or more with assault rifles...yeah. Especially, since, y'know, the black market will be involved. And so will the largest gangs in the U.S., as well. And alot of those gangs have alot worse things than assault rifles. And you can get just about whatever you want off the black market. Not to mention, i don't think any of America's allies are going to jump in, not for awhile at least.

Hell, there's a few countries out there that really hate us. Some of 'em are big. Like Russia. Yes, their government is trying to be our friend, but anyone with any body language reading skill who watches videos of the two meeting, will see the subliminal signs. Not to mention, go to Russia, and proclaim out loud and proud that your'e a patriotic American. See how well that goes over. Because truth is, the Russian people absolutely hate America. If the government was controlled by the people, there'd be a world-wide nuclear war right now.

So if by a "few disorganized hicks" you mean a few million pissed off people with assault rifles, grenades, RPG's (Again, the black market.), then the answer is yes, they can, and will. I don't care how many goddamn M1 Abrahams you have. Even the M1 can't fend off an RPG attack forever. Neither can your helicopters.

But in all honesty, this would only happen if Obama did try to take all the guns. He might be stupid, but i don't think he's that stupid. At least i certainly hope not.
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Oh, and do you REALLY think that U.S. soldiers are all going to mindlessly shoot the citizens they fight to protect? I'm inclined to think that alot of them wouldn't do it. This isn't the Civil War where both sides have been hating each other for a long time, and had no problem doing it. What good are your Predator drones if you have no one to pilot them? Or your tanks. What about your missiles? Exactly.
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Postby Alekera » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:33 pm

Tovakestan wrote:As much as I love The Second Ammendment, I do agree with Obama. I don't really need a 30 round clip attached to a Fully Automatic to defend my home and family. I'm happy as long as he doesn't go too far and/or ban hunting.


Are full-auto even widely available to the public? Last time i went to the gun shop (or any gun shop [or and gun show!]) I've never seen a full-auto gun.

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Postby Talonis » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:34 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force. Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up. In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically. I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government. What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens, buying 1.6 Million Cartridges, and disarming all US Citizens?

I'm all for guns, so I almost want to stand up for you, but this seems like a bit much what with the whole "silent majority striking back with force" thing, the "petty crimes increase" nonsense, saying that the military bought those cartriges, that the government is disarming everyone (it is quite possible, but it isn't happening), and stating only communists/Nazis hang flags vertically.
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Postby Bering » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:34 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:
We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

All 0 Socialists in the US government.

and that is far to high! we need to be in the high negatives to be safe :p

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Postby Korvallian Reich » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:34 pm

Zathganastan wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:
We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

One doesn't attempt a coup on their own government administration, you and all people like you are simply traitors.


It isn't their own Government, it's their enemy. The only way you can take out America is from within.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

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Postby Vareiln » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:35 pm

Obama is the chief God of us Muslim Atheist Gay Liberals. We will fight for him. :p

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Postby Korvallian Reich » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:35 pm

Talonis wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force. Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up. In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically. I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government. What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens, buying 1.6 Million Cartridges, and disarming all US Citizens?

I'm all for guns, so I almost want to stand up for you, but this seems like a bit much what with the whole "silent majority striking back with force" thing, the "petty crimes increase" nonsense, saying that the military bought those cartriges, that the government is disarming everyone (it is quite possible, but it isn't happening), and stating only communists/Nazis hang flags vertically.


the DHS bought them.
I'm just making a comparison.

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Postby Guadalupador » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:35 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

Where's your proof of the evil, devil worshipping, socialists are taking over the United States?
And just so you know, InfoWars is Not a relevant source.

I suspect you don't have any proof anyways...
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:36 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

Yet apparently most Americans like socialism (by your definition) :p
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:36 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Guadalupador wrote:Trying to overthrow the US government does not make you a patriot, it makes you a traitor in the eyes of most Americans. :palm: Hypocrites these days....


We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

Seriously? How are Socialists traitors, in fact, do you even know what a socialist is? And how are they making a Coup De'tat? in fact do you even know what a coup de'tat is? If the government is socialist/Communist or whatever you are calling it... why would they try to overthrow themselves through the military?

Which would imply that a large portion of the Military is socialist.... Source for ebul commie nazi takeover and source for a coup de'tat about to happen.

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Postby Korvallian Reich » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:37 pm

Guadalupador wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:
We aren't the Rebels, the Socialists are. It's called them making a Coup d'état. The Patriots job is to defend the Constitution.

Where's your proof of the evil, devil worshipping, socialists are taking over the United States?
And just so you know, InfoWars is Not a relevant source.

I suspect you don't have any proof anyways...


Because it's not Mainstream and Controlled by Liberals? If mainstream media was Conservative, would you say the same thing?

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Postby Zathganastan » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:38 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:One doesn't attempt a coup on their own government administration, you and all people like you are simply traitors.


It isn't their own Government, it's their enemy. The only way you can take out America is from within.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

Ahh youtube my age old nemesis...We meet again.

Now seriously your going to something a lot better then youtube if you want anyone to take you even remotely serious.
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Postby New Babylonia » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:38 pm

Alekera wrote:
Tovakestan wrote:As much as I love The Second Ammendment, I do agree with Obama. I don't really need a 30 round clip attached to a Fully Automatic to defend my home and family. I'm happy as long as he doesn't go too far and/or ban hunting.


Are full-auto even widely available to the public? Last time i went to the gun shop (or any gun shop [or and gun show!]) I've never seen a full-auto gun.



Go to Texas. Or Nevada. Hell, in Texas, you could probably walk around with a loaded M60 if it was in a gunbag.
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