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Do you think a Civil War/Revolution is coming soon?

Yes! I will die for our rights and all of my brothers and sisters along side me!
57
16%
Yes! But I will only fight for my family.
11
3%
Yes, but I would not fight for our rights.
3
1%
Yes! I will fight for Obama and his Totalitarian Regime!
22
6%
Maybe. Will Fight
18
5%
Maybe. Won't Fight.
7
2%
No, and you are crazy
173
50%
No, but I would fight
23
7%
No, Obama is God.
18
5%
No Input
17
5%
 
Total votes : 349

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Postby Alekera » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:06 pm

The 2nd amendment really isn't a law per say rather it is a self-evident alienable right.

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Postby Repulaea » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:07 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian

The Constitution's very existence is contrary to Libertarian creed. You, sir, are a contradiction.

Korvallian Reich wrote:and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force.

And by so doing, they will reinforce Feinstein's motive.

Korvallian Reich wrote:Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up.

Call me crazy, but I'll take petty crimes over gun violence any day. Also, ask a rape victim how "petty" that offense really is.

Korvallian Reich wrote:In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically

Because this fact incontestably proves that President Obama has a hidden totalitarian agenda. Seems legit.

Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government.

Go ask a Damascus resident how oppressed U.S. citizens are.

Korvallian Reich wrote:What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens

I don't remember the Federal Government ever making such a request of U.S. servicemen.

Korvallian Reich wrote:buying 1.6 Million Cartridges

Well the U.S. does have a vast military to supply, after all. This fact is due in no small part to your Republican friends in Congress, if I might add.

Korvallian Reich wrote:and disarming all US Citizens?

If you're referring to a total disarmament, then that just won't happen, nor is it part of the President's current gun control agenda.

Korvallian Reich wrote:ANYONE WHO VOTES : Yes! I will die for our rights and all of my brothers and sisters along side me!, Maybe. Will Fight, No, but I would fight
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You're fourteen, friend. There are better things for you to do in your spare time. :)

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Postby Creative Vikings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:09 pm

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Agreed. And the Economy did Drop.

At first I just considered you a politically confused freshman, but now I see you also don't know a thing about economics, and cannot form a factually sound argument

So, does that mean I level up in the wake of that?

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Postby Alekera » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:09 pm

Just sayin' that 1.6 million rounds isn't for the military. Its for the DHS to be used domestically...

Edit: that and they're hollow points, which have been outlawed in the use of war.
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Postby The Irradiated Chernobyl » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:09 pm

Indira wrote:The second amendment is not under attack. You don't NEED high-capacity mags to defend yourself at home and despite what the more idiotic/crazy members of the US believe (Fox, I'm looking at you here) Obama is not even planning to take your guns. ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT? Also, it's hard to take any argument seriously when the poster also makes daft claims about Obama being a communist and stuff about 'liberals' not understanding. Back your claims (Which amount to an insane amount of BS) or you will get hammered


How do you know that you don't need "high capacity magazines"? A high cap is like, 60, 80 rounds. A normal sized one is 30.. Having a 30 round magazine compared to a 10 round magazine in your AR15 makes a pretty big difference.
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Postby Warinemachine » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:13 pm

Repulaea wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian

The Constitution's very existence is contrary to Libertarian creed. You, sir, are a contradiction.

Korvallian Reich wrote:and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force.

And by so doing, they will reinforce Feinstein's motive.

Korvallian Reich wrote:Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up.

Call me crazy, but I'll take petty crimes over gun violence any day. Also, ask a rape victim how "petty" that offense really is.

Korvallian Reich wrote:In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically

Because this fact incontestably proves that President Obama has a hidden totalitarian agenda. Seems legit.

Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government.

Go ask a Damascus resident how oppressed U.S. citizens are.

Korvallian Reich wrote:What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens

I don't remember the Federal Government ever making such a request of U.S. servicemen.

Korvallian Reich wrote:buying 1.6 Million Cartridges

Well the U.S. does have a vast military to supply, after all. This fact is due in no small part to your Republican friends in Congress, if I might add.

Korvallian Reich wrote:and disarming all US Citizens?

If you're referring to a total disarmament, then that just won't happen, nor is it part of the President's current gun control agenda.

Korvallian Reich wrote:ANYONE WHO VOTES : Yes! I will die for our rights and all of my brothers and sisters along side me!, Maybe. Will Fight, No, but I would fight
SEND A FRIEND REQUEST FOR I AM TRYING TO START GETTING SOME FORM OF CONTINENTEL MILITIA ORGANIZED

You're fourteen, friend. There are better things for you to do in your spare time. :)

What makes you assume he is fourteen.

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Postby Repulaea » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:14 pm

He stated it in a previous post. Unless I'm woefully mistaken?

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Postby The Elven Imperium » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:14 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force. Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up. In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically. I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government. What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens, buying 1.6 Million Cartridges, and disarming all US Citizens?

modedit: Lets not say we did, kk? Discussion of the topic is fine, recruiting for a militia is not, not here.


Hey buddy newsflash do you think a few disorganized hicks with assault rifles are going to stop a modern army with laser guided bombs, Predators, nuclear weapons, and tanks. The 2nd Amendment was written when we didn't have modern arms or modern society. It was acceptable in the past like the Articles of Confederation.
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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:14 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
Repulaea wrote:The Constitution's very existence is contrary to Libertarian creed. You, sir, are a contradiction.


And by so doing, they will reinforce Feinstein's motive.


Call me crazy, but I'll take petty crimes over gun violence any day. Also, ask a rape victim how "petty" that offense really is.


Because this fact incontestably proves that President Obama has a hidden totalitarian agenda. Seems legit.


Go ask a Damascus resident how oppressed U.S. citizens are.


I don't remember the Federal Government ever making such a request of U.S. servicemen.


Well the U.S. does have a vast military to supply, after all. This fact is due in no small part to your Republican friends in Congress, if I might add.


If you're referring to a total disarmament, then that just won't happen, nor is it part of the President's current gun control agenda.


You're fourteen, friend. There are better things for you to do in your spare time. :)

What makes you assume he is fourteen.

He has told us. On multiple occasions.
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Postby Creative Vikings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:17 pm

The Irradiated Chernobyl wrote:
Indira wrote:The second amendment is not under attack. You don't NEED high-capacity mags to defend yourself at home and despite what the more idiotic/crazy members of the US believe (Fox, I'm looking at you here) Obama is not even planning to take your guns. ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT? Also, it's hard to take any argument seriously when the poster also makes daft claims about Obama being a communist and stuff about 'liberals' not understanding. Back your claims (Which amount to an insane amount of BS) or you will get hammered


How do you know that you don't need "high capacity magazines"? A high cap is like, 60, 80 rounds. A normal sized one is 30.. Having a 30 round magazine compared to a 10 round magazine in your AR15 makes a pretty big difference.

Try aiming down the gun sights instead of firing from the hip, trust me, it really does work.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:17 pm

Okay since your other thread was locked, i will re ask my question here. Do you even understand how your government system works, specifically regarding amendments?

In fact do you know what the system of checks and balances is? Or separation of powers? Do you even know that Obama cannot simply remove the 2nd amendment?
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Postby Creative Vikings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:18 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
Repulaea wrote:The Constitution's very existence is contrary to Libertarian creed. You, sir, are a contradiction.


And by so doing, they will reinforce Feinstein's motive.


Call me crazy, but I'll take petty crimes over gun violence any day. Also, ask a rape victim how "petty" that offense really is.


Because this fact incontestably proves that President Obama has a hidden totalitarian agenda. Seems legit.


Go ask a Damascus resident how oppressed U.S. citizens are.


I don't remember the Federal Government ever making such a request of U.S. servicemen.


Well the U.S. does have a vast military to supply, after all. This fact is due in no small part to your Republican friends in Congress, if I might add.


If you're referring to a total disarmament, then that just won't happen, nor is it part of the President's current gun control agenda.


You're fourteen, friend. There are better things for you to do in your spare time. :)

What makes you assume he is fourteen.

Spontaneous radical beliefs.
Seriously, can adults really be that misinformed?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:19 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
Repulaea wrote:The Constitution's very existence is contrary to Libertarian creed. You, sir, are a contradiction.


And by so doing, they will reinforce Feinstein's motive.


Call me crazy, but I'll take petty crimes over gun violence any day. Also, ask a rape victim how "petty" that offense really is.


Because this fact incontestably proves that President Obama has a hidden totalitarian agenda. Seems legit.


Go ask a Damascus resident how oppressed U.S. citizens are.


I don't remember the Federal Government ever making such a request of U.S. servicemen.


Well the U.S. does have a vast military to supply, after all. This fact is due in no small part to your Republican friends in Congress, if I might add.


If you're referring to a total disarmament, then that just won't happen, nor is it part of the President's current gun control agenda.


You're fourteen, friend. There are better things for you to do in your spare time. :)

What makes you assume he is fourteen.

He stated so, on his other thread about the militia.
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Postby Korvallian Reich » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:19 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Okay since your other thread was locked, i will re ask my question here. Do you even understand how your government system works, specifically regarding amendments?

In fact do you know what the system of checks and balances is? Or separation of powers? Do you even know that Obama cannot simply remove the 2nd amendment?


Yes I do know how it works and etc, but it doesn't work anymore and basically everyone in the Govt. is Corrupt in someway. It must be altered to fix it.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:20 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Okay since your other thread was locked, i will re ask my question here. Do you even understand how your government system works, specifically regarding amendments?

In fact do you know what the system of checks and balances is? Or separation of powers? Do you even know that Obama cannot simply remove the 2nd amendment?


Yes I do know how it works and etc, but it doesn't work anymore and basically everyone in the Govt. is Corrupt in someway. It must be altered to fix it.

Prove it. Show me sources that the US government is broken and needs fixed.
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Postby Creative Vikings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:20 pm

The Elven Imperium wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force. Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up. In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically. I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government. What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens, buying 1.6 Million Cartridges, and disarming all US Citizens?

modedit: Lets not say we did, kk? Discussion of the topic is fine, recruiting for a militia is not, not here.


Hey buddy newsflash do you think a few disorganized hicks with assault rifles are going to stop a modern army with laser guided bombs, Predators, nuclear weapons, and tanks. The 2nd Amendment was written when we didn't have modern arms or modern society. It was acceptable in the past like the Articles of Confederation.

Image

Predators in the US Military Service? Yeah, those hicks are pretty much fucked.
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Postby Alekera » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:21 pm

The Elven Imperium wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:I'm a Constitutionalist and Libertarian, and the 2nd Amendment is being attacked. If we get the bill from Diane Feinstein (who is a Hypocrite) passed, I believe that the silent majority will strike back, with force. Something Liberals don't understand is that when Gun Control is high, Gun Crime goes down, but petty crimes like robbery, knives, rape, etc goes up. In my Opinion Obama is a Communist/Collectivist who will create a Totalitarian State. You see that shit at the Inauguration? Only Nazi's (National Socialists not Anti-Semetics) and Communists drape flags like that, vertically. I'm not going to turn this into an essay and all I'm going to ask your opinion on this possibility. Remember, the 2nd Amendment isn't there for Hunting, it's there for defending us against a Tyrannical Government. What could the Government be planning if they ask soldiers if they will fire on US Citizens, buying 1.6 Million Cartridges, and disarming all US Citizens?

modedit: Lets not say we did, kk? Discussion of the topic is fine, recruiting for a militia is not, not here.


Hey buddy newsflash do you think a few disorganized hicks with assault rifles are going to stop a modern army with laser guided bombs, Predators, nuclear weapons, and tanks. The 2nd Amendment was written when we didn't have modern arms or modern society. It was acceptable in the past like the Articles of Confederation.


Although i do agree that disorganized hicks (a rather broad assumption on who might be fighting tyranny) can not stand up to one of the worlds largest armies. We must also assume that there would be a division within the military itself, soldiers going AWOL and what not. And saying the 2nd amendment was limited to guns of the 1700's is like saying the 1st amendment is limited to religions, political ideologies of the 1700's.

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Postby Korvallian Reich » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:22 pm

Creative Vikings wrote:
The Elven Imperium wrote:
Hey buddy newsflash do you think a few disorganized hicks with assault rifles are going to stop a modern army with laser guided bombs, Predators, nuclear weapons, and tanks. The 2nd Amendment was written when we didn't have modern arms or modern society. It was acceptable in the past like the Articles of Confederation.
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Predators in the US Military Service? Yeah, those hicks are pretty much fucked.


Most of Military is Conservative and Constitutionalist. Good luck with that argument. They would most likely bring the Tanks, Pred. Drones, Helo's, and etc for US while they could.

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Postby Repulaea » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:22 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Okay since your other thread was locked, i will re ask my question here. Do you even understand how your government system works, specifically regarding amendments?

In fact do you know what the system of checks and balances is? Or separation of powers? Do you even know that Obama cannot simply remove the 2nd amendment?

Basically this^

Look how much fire he is receiving for attempting to impose reasonable controls regarding common sense issues. God forbid he try to take your Remington 870. It just won't happen.

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Postby Creative Vikings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:23 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:(Image)

Predators in the US Military Service? Yeah, those hicks are pretty much fucked.


Most of Military is Conservative and Constitutionalist. Good luck with that argument. They would most likely bring the Tanks, Pred. Drones, Helo's, and etc for US while they could.

And Yautja Hunters?
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Postby Repulaea » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:25 pm

Creative Vikings wrote:
Warinemachine wrote:What makes you assume he is fourteen.

Spontaneous radical beliefs.
Seriously, can adults really be that misinformed?

Well yes, actually.

EDIT:Though, In his defense, he's far better informed than most fourteen-year-old Americans.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:25 pm

Creative Vikings wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:
Most of Military is Conservative and Constitutionalist. Good luck with that argument. They would most likely bring the Tanks, Pred. Drones, Helo's, and etc for US while they could.

And Yautja Hunters?

They dont give a crap, they will tear your spine out all the same, trophies, honour and all that jazz.
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Postby Bering » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:25 pm

Korvallian Reich wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:[img]
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Predators in the US Military Service? Yeah, those hicks are pretty much fucked.


Most of Military is Conservative and Constitutionalist. Good luck with that argument. They would most likely bring the Tanks, Pred. Drones, Helo's, and etc for US while they could.

They are but you are an extremist who has several major wholes in your philosophy, these people will defend the Constitution which you are attacking the lawful government of America
and once more you are 14

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Postby Bering » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:26 pm

Creative Vikings wrote:
Korvallian Reich wrote:
Most of Military is Conservative and Constitutionalist. Good luck with that argument. They would most likely bring the Tanks, Pred. Drones, Helo's, and etc for US while they could.

And Yautja Hunters?

They are Huntist, hence they will side with the govt in exchange for free range on the rebel forces

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Postby Creative Vikings » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:27 pm

Repulaea wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:Spontaneous radical beliefs.
Seriously, can adults really be that misinformed?

Well yes, actually.

Oh dear :meh:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Creative Vikings wrote:And Yautja Hunters?

They dont give a crap, they will tear your spine out all the same, trophies, honour and all that jazz.

So how come they aren't the High Kings of America?

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