
by Terio » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:03 am
by Bombadil » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:10 am

by Miss Defied » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:10 am

by The Rebel Alliances » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:13 am
The Starlight wrote:Rebel Force: Noun - A strange power associated with street-level characters who are the weakest, yet most powerful of all.

by Dododecapod » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:13 am

by Jagalonia » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:14 am
Tokyoni wrote:Hitler's mustache looks weird. Adam Smith was a drunken fatass. There, I've just pwned fascism and capitalism by such "logic".
Edlichbury wrote:OOC: If Knootoss can claim alcohol is a biological weapon, I can claim sentient Milk-People.
Senestrum wrote:Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.
lolz ensued

by The Grand World Order » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:15 am

by Lowell Leber » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:15 am
Terio wrote:Why do American history books (I'm talking about high school/grade school caliber) lie, or leave out certain things when talking about important events?
In my high school and grade schools especially, and in other American made history books I've seen, there is always some kind of obvious bias or down right lies about America in general. The one I'm mainly going to focus on is military, although there are many more you can note. I'm looking through one of my old textbooks right now and im going to flip through it to try and find some inaccurate facts or other things that stand out.
A couple of things I've noticed:
*LITTLE TO NO MENTION of the Eastern Front of World War II (the deciding factor of the war and the deadliest conflict in human history?)
*Also, no mention of the Soviets capturing Berlin to end the war in Europe. Can make people think the U.S. did.
*Little to no acknowledgment of the British/Commonwealth contribution to D-Day. Americans never really thank Britain for anything though.
*No mention of North Vietnam capturing South Vietnam. Kind of a big deal considering we fought a decade long war to PREVENT that from happening. Also, no mention of war crimes or other bad things the U.S. did in Vietnam.
*It says we won the Korean War, or was a "tactical success." Yea....no. It was a total stalemate and waste of life.
*Makes Britain and France look weak. (ex- It says "France and Britain could not have won without American support.) Can be argued, maybe.
*Tries to make excuses for American conquests (Mexican-American War, Spanish-American War.) Says the Spanish blew up the U.S.S. Maine for example, and that Mexico was claiming American territory.
*NO MENTION of Franco-Spanish support in the American Revolution. It was a huge factor.
*Says we won the War of 1812. Also, no mention of freaking NAPOLEON (besides the Louisiana Purchase a decade earlier.)
I'm sure I could find more but those are the main few that stick out to me. Now, why does this bother me you may ask?
Well, it makes American teenagers and young adults look like idiots. They end up not knowing a THING about basic history. They think America did everything, had a reasonable reason for everything, and that every other nation's contributions were useless. Then I see them on websites and in classrooms and such talking about military history, as if they truly know it, and say America's the best and stuff like that.
I saw this on the iPhone App iFunny earlier today:
"I what how German history books are like."
"I'd be like Well, we fucked up here, and here, a little bit here, big time here, also here, and there."
Then there were comments on it to, that said things like:
"French version. We ran away here, here, a little bit there, there, here."
Obviously neither of those are true, and makes me cry a little to see how uneducated America's youth is about world history. And you wonder why people from other countries hate us so much?
Your guy's thoughts?
by Bombadil » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:15 am
The Grand World Order wrote:I'm seriously wondering where you went to school... that doesn't sound anything like what I was taught.

by Mussoliniopoli » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:17 am
Dododecapod wrote:Depends on how you view things. Napoleon had litle or nothing to do with the war of 1812, so why mention him? Korea WAS a victory - we accomplished everything we set out to do going in. And EVERY country involved overplays it's part in WWII.
You're talking about basic textbooks. I would prefer they went into things somewhat more in-depth (having a history degree myself...) but as a basic overview US textbooks aren't too bad.
by Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:17 am
Terio wrote:
*LITTLE TO NO MENTION of the Eastern Front of World War II (the deciding factor of the war and the deadliest conflict in human history?)
Terio wrote:*Also, no mention of the Soviets capturing Berlin to end the war in Europe. Can make people think the U.S. did.
Terio wrote:*Little to no acknowledgment of the British/Commonwealth contribution to D-Day. Americans never really thank Britain for anything though.
Terio wrote:*No mention of North Vietnam capturing South Vietnam. Kind of a big deal considering we fought a decade long war to PREVENT that from happening. Also, no mention of war crimes or other bad things the U.S. did in Vietnam.
Terio wrote:*It says we won the Korean War, or was a "tactical success." Yea....no. It was a total stalemate and waste of life.
Terio wrote:*Makes Britain and France look weak. (ex- It says "France and Britain could not have won without American support.) Can be argued, maybe.
Terio wrote:*Tries to make excuses for American conquests (Mexican-American War, Spanish-American War.) Says the Spanish blew up the U.S.S. Maine for example, and that Mexico was claiming American territory.
Terio wrote:*NO MENTION of Franco-Spanish support in the American Revolution. It was a huge factor.
Terio wrote:*Says we won the War of 1812. Also, no mention of freaking NAPOLEON (besides the Louisiana Purchase a decade earlier.)
Terio wrote:
Your guy's thoughts?

by Mesairien » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:18 am

by Seperates » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:18 am

by Terio » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:19 am
Dododecapod wrote:Depends on how you view things. Napoleon had litle or nothing to do with the war of 1812, so why mention him? Korea WAS a victory - we accomplished everything we set out to do going in. And EVERY country involved overplays it's part in WWII.
You're talking about basic textbooks. I would prefer they went into things somewhat more in-depth (having a history degree myself...) but as a basic overview US textbooks aren't too bad.
by Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:20 am
Bombadil wrote:I remember British history as coming to an end in 1945 when we won the world.
by Bombadil » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:22 am

by Maklohi Vai » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:22 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:Terio wrote:
*LITTLE TO NO MENTION of the Eastern Front of World War II (the deciding factor of the war and the deadliest conflict in human history?)
Learned that in high school.Terio wrote:*Also, no mention of the Soviets capturing Berlin to end the war in Europe. Can make people think the U.S. did.
Learned that too.Terio wrote:*Little to no acknowledgment of the British/Commonwealth contribution to D-Day. Americans never really thank Britain for anything though.
Covered that.Terio wrote:*No mention of North Vietnam capturing South Vietnam. Kind of a big deal considering we fought a decade long war to PREVENT that from happening. Also, no mention of war crimes or other bad things the U.S. did in Vietnam.
That too.Terio wrote:*It says we won the Korean War, or was a "tactical success." Yea....no. It was a total stalemate and waste of life.
Never once heard anyone refer to the Korean War as a victory, in or out of school.Terio wrote:*Makes Britain and France look weak. (ex- It says "France and Britain could not have won without American support.) Can be argued, maybe.
This...seems like a reach.Terio wrote:*Tries to make excuses for American conquests (Mexican-American War, Spanish-American War.) Says the Spanish blew up the U.S.S. Maine for example, and that Mexico was claiming American territory.
Huh?Terio wrote:*NO MENTION of Franco-Spanish support in the American Revolution. It was a huge factor.
Great, because they made a huge deal about it in high school.Terio wrote:*Says we won the War of 1812. Also, no mention of freaking NAPOLEON (besides the Louisiana Purchase a decade earlier.)
Really? We covered Napoleon during World History.Terio wrote:
Your guy's thoughts?
Your school sucked? I mean, I was educated in California man. That's not a high bar to clear. You might want to start paying attention to your school board elections or something.

by Defensor » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:23 am
Terio wrote:Why do American history books (I'm talking about high school/grade school caliber) lie, or leave out certain things when talking about important events?
In my high school and grade schools especially, and in other American made history books I've seen, there is always some kind of obvious bias or down right lies about America in general. The one I'm mainly going to focus on is military, although there are many more you can note. I'm looking through one of my old textbooks right now and im going to flip through it to try and find some inaccurate facts or other things that stand out.
A couple of things I've noticed:
*LITTLE TO NO MENTION of the Eastern Front of World War II (the deciding factor of the war and the deadliest conflict in human history?)
*Also, no mention of the Soviets capturing Berlin to end the war in Europe. Can make people think the U.S. did.
*Little to no acknowledgment of the British/Commonwealth contribution to D-Day. Americans never really thank Britain for anything though.
*No mention of North Vietnam capturing South Vietnam. Kind of a big deal considering we fought a decade long war to PREVENT that from happening. Also, no mention of war crimes or other bad things the U.S. did in Vietnam.
*It says we won the Korean War, or was a "tactical success." Yea....no. It was a total stalemate and waste of life.
*Makes Britain and France look weak. (ex- It says "France and Britain could not have won without American support.) Can be argued, maybe.
*Tries to make excuses for American conquests (Mexican-American War, Spanish-American War.) Says the Spanish blew up the U.S.S. Maine for example, and that Mexico was claiming American territory.
*NO MENTION of Franco-Spanish support in the American Revolution. It was a huge factor.
*Says we won the War of 1812. Also, no mention of freaking NAPOLEON (besides the Louisiana Purchase a decade earlier.)
I'm sure I could find more but those are the main few that stick out to me. Now, why does this bother me you may ask?
Well, it makes American teenagers and young adults look like idiots. They end up not knowing a THING about basic history. They think America did everything, had a reasonable reason for everything, and that every other nation's contributions were useless. Then I see them on websites and in classrooms and such talking about military history, as if they truly know it, and say America's the best and stuff like that.
I saw this on the iPhone App iFunny earlier today:
"I what how German history books are like."
"I'd be like Well, we fucked up here, and here, a little bit here, big time here, also here, and there."
Then there were comments on it to, that said things like:
"French version. We ran away here, here, a little bit there, there, here."
Obviously neither of those are true, and makes me cry a little to see how uneducated America's youth is about world history. And you wonder why people from other countries hate us so much?
Your guy's thoughts?


by The Grand World Order » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:24 am

by Jagalonia » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:24 am
Dododecapod wrote:Depends on how you view things. Napoleon had litle or nothing to do with the war of 1812, so why mention him? Korea WAS a victory - we accomplished everything we set out to do going in. And EVERY country involved overplays it's part in WWII.
You're talking about basic textbooks. I would prefer they went into things somewhat more in-depth (having a history degree myself...) but as a basic overview US textbooks aren't too bad.
Tokyoni wrote:Hitler's mustache looks weird. Adam Smith was a drunken fatass. There, I've just pwned fascism and capitalism by such "logic".
Edlichbury wrote:OOC: If Knootoss can claim alcohol is a biological weapon, I can claim sentient Milk-People.
Senestrum wrote:Russians took the maximum allowable missile performances from the ABM treaty as design goals.
lolz ensued

by Zweite Alaje » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:24 am

by Lowell Leber » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:24 am
Terio wrote:Dododecapod wrote:Depends on how you view things. Napoleon had litle or nothing to do with the war of 1812, so why mention him? Korea WAS a victory - we accomplished everything we set out to do going in. And EVERY country involved overplays it's part in WWII.
You're talking about basic textbooks. I would prefer they went into things somewhat more in-depth (having a history degree myself...) but as a basic overview US textbooks aren't too bad.
True about Napoleon, but its the same thing the the Revolution. Its makes Americans think they defeated all of Britain on their own with little to no foreign intervention.
Korea was not a victory. The U.N. failed to unite Korea. So did North Korea and China. Therefore, stalemate it is.
I wouldn't really know about the WW2 part, but I just think American textbooks should mention more about the Eastern Front, at least the important stuff, Stalingrad, Kursk, etc.

by The Grand World Order » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:25 am
Zweite Alaje wrote:OP, where the hell do you live? Your school must be getting some bottom of the barrel funding.

by Le Mars » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:25 am
Miss Defied wrote:It is absolutely deplorable.
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