Gun Bans

[Chucklaslovokia]

the sides were the warsaw pact countries and nato

[Big Jim P]

Since you are not American, why do American gun laws bother you so much?

Because he doesn't follow that great American edict "Gott' take care'yer own.".

so he would rather be dependent on others to take care of his own? yeah, I got that quite a few posts back. It's really sad actually.

[Big Jim P]

the sides were the warsaw pact countries and nato

The free and democratic won that one, and we will win this one too.

[Frisivisia]

Because he doesn't follow that great American edict "Gott' take care'yer own.".

so he would rather be dependent on others to take care of his own? yeah, I got that quite a few posts back. It's really sad actually.

As it would turn out, humans are tribalistic creatures, and while taking care of your own is necessary, ignoring the needs of everyone else is an unnecessary evil that humanity faces, and it's outright selfishness.

[Big Jim P]

so he would rather be dependent on others to take care of his own? yeah, I got that quite a few posts back. It's really sad actually.

As it would turn out, humans are tribalistic creatures, and while taking care of your own is necessary, ignoring the needs of everyone else is an unnecessary evil that humanity faces, and it's outright selfishness.

Indeed. That is why I will stand up and help my neighbor defend his own.

[Frisivisia]

the sides were the warsaw pact countries and nato

The free and democratic won that one, and we will win this one too.

Dualism is bad.

[Frisivisia]

As it would turn out, humans are tribalistic creatures, and while taking care of your own is necessary, ignoring the needs of everyone else is an unnecessary evil that humanity faces, and it's outright selfishness.

Indeed. That is why I will stand up and help my neighbor defend his own.

Very good, that's society.

[Big Jim P]

Indeed. That is why I will stand up and help my neighbor defend his own.

Very good, that's society.

When I say "defend my own" that includes the society I live in as well, even the members of the society I disagree with.

[AiliailiA]

Yes I do. Yes you should. This is the standard imposed by law on licensed arms dealers: that they check whether the buyer is a legal buyer.

You sold guns to people without knowing whether or not they were criminals? You just assumed they were legally qualified to own a gun "due to statistics"?

Such incompetence should be illegal.

If someone knowingly sells a gun to a criminal, it is no longer a transaction involving a responsible gun owner, but one between two criminals.

That's better. You admit that an owner who sells without checking, bears some of the responsibility for crimes later committed with that gun.

Not enough for me: I would have them criminal for selling without checking, and punished if that was proved, whether or not any crime was committed with the gun.

But I'll give you the nod for acknowledging culpability in at least some cases.

Personally, once I own a gun, I do not sell it.

That's kind of weird. Are there any circumstances under which you would give a gun you own as a gift?

[Frisivisia]

Very good, that's society.

When I say "defend my own" that includes the society I live in as well, even the members of the society I disagree with.

That's very different from what "defending your own" generally means, which is defending one's family and property exclusively.

[Big Jim P]

If someone knowingly sells a gun to a criminal, it is no longer a transaction involving a responsible gun owner, but one between two criminals.

That's better. You admit that an owner who sells without checking, bears some of the responsibility for crimes later committed with that gun.

Not enough for me: I would have them criminal for selling without checking, and punished if that was proved, whether or not any crime was committed with the gun.

But I'll give you the nod for acknowledging culpability in at least some cases.

Personally, once I own a gun, I do not sell it.

That's kind of weird. Are there any circumstances under which you would give a gun you own as a gift?

I would purchase a gun as a gift, but the number of people I would give such a gift to are very few and I know them very well.

[Alowwvia]

Yes I do. Yes you should. This is the standard imposed by law on licensed arms dealers: that they check whether the buyer is a legal buyer.

You sold guns to people without knowing whether or not they were criminals? You just assumed they were legally qualified to own a gun "due to statistics"?

Such incompetence should be illegal.

ITT: Not having access to FBI databases equals incompetence.

I think the problem can be solved by making it a law that it needs to be a public transaction, where the buyer has submitted his information for review to an official, and is then approved if they pass the checks.

[Esternial]

That's better. You admit that an owner who sells without checking, bears some of the responsibility for crimes later committed with that gun.

Not enough for me: I would have them criminal for selling without checking, and punished if that was proved, whether or not any crime was committed with the gun.

But I'll give you the nod for acknowledging culpability in at least some cases.



That's kind of weird. Are there any circumstances under which you would give a gun you own as a gift?

I would purchase a gun as a gift, but the number of people I would give such a gift to are very few and I know them very well.

Oh, you shouldn't have!

[Big Jim P]

When I say "defend my own" that includes the society I live in as well, even the members of the society I disagree with.

That's very different from what "defending your own" generally means, which is defending one's family and property exclusively.

Those would be my first priorities of course, but by no means my only priorities. In fact I have served to defend everyone in this country.

[Big Jim P]

I would purchase a gun as a gift, but the number of people I would give such a gift to are very few and I know them very well.

Oh, you shouldn't have!

shouldn't have what?

[AiliailiA]

the sides were the warsaw pact countries and nato

Uh, you put a "Subject" on your post, but the subject and your post are wildly different to the thread subject "Gun Bans".



You need to lurk more.

[Frisivisia]

That's very different from what "defending your own" generally means, which is defending one's family and property exclusively.

Those would be my first priorities of course, but by no means my only priorities. In fact I have served to defend everyone in this country.

And that's great.

[Esternial]

Oh, you shouldn't have!

shouldn't have what?

Given me a gun, of course!

[Big Jim P]

If someone knowingly sells a gun to a criminal, it is no longer a transaction involving a responsible gun owner, but one between two criminals.

That's better. You admit that an owner who sells without checking, bears some of the responsibility for crimes later committed with that gun.

Not enough for me:

But I'll give you the nod for acknowledging culpability in at least some cases.

A person responsibility begins when he purchases the gun and end when he sells it. "an owner who sells without checking, bears some of the responsibility for crimes later committed with that gun." is plain bullshit, only exceeded by "I would have them criminal for selling without checking, and punished if that was proved, whether or not any crime was committed with the gun."

[Frisivisia]

shouldn't have what?

Given me a gun, of course!

Yeah, you really shouldn't have, I'm afraid now.

[Big Jim P]

shouldn't have what?

Given me a gun, of course!

Please. You are not anywhere near the list of people I know well enough to give a gun to.

[Esternial]

Given me a gun, of course!

Yeah, you really shouldn't have, I'm afraid now.

I hadn't pegged you as such a timid person, Frissy.

[Esternial]

Given me a gun, of course!

Please. You are not anywhere near the list of people I know well enough to give a gun to.

Ye I wasn't really being serious...

[Frisivisia]

Yeah, you really shouldn't have, I'm afraid now.

I hadn't pegged you as such a timid person, Frissy.

I'm hardly timid, I just don't like the idea of you with a gun.

[Big Jim P]

Please. You are not anywhere near the list of people I know well enough to give a gun to.

Ye I wasn't really being serious...

I was only semi-serious myself. Right now there is exactly ONE person I would give a gun as a gift.