Gun Bans

[Salandriagado]

And how, exactly, are small arms going to help? That is: what are they going to do to stop a dictatorship without say, bomber wings, aircraft carriers and cruise missiles?

Missiles can bomb the ground, but only infantry can hold it.

The US armed forces currently have about 70.000 Infantrymen, the rest are people who handle logistics and maintenance.
These are the people that transport missiles from the factory to the military airfield, load the missile on the jet fighter, refuel it, clear it for takeoff, collect the timesheets of the people at the base etc.

These people are not an effective fighting force and would quickly be overrun by an armed militia, crippling the military.

Because obviously, they wouldn't even be slightly defended by said military. Not at all. I mean, it isn't like they work on military bases or anything, is it?

Oh, wait.

[Chernoslavia]

So you honestly think that we crave violence?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv4E7eDdVzg And then there's that Utah Sheriff who's willing to use his leverage of authority to push a fight with the feds. This is one of the few examples why I believe they care more about the 2nd Amendment than they do about victims of death by firearms.

Your beliefs are false.

[Gun Manufacturers]

just limit all clips to six shots. You shouldn't need more for a handgun. Think, your not going to shoot a housebreaker thirteen times are you?

And if your hunting you don't need more than six shots.

No. Because home/self defense and hunting aren't the only reasons for firearms ownership.

[Chernoslavia]

So you honestly think that we crave violence?!

Well, think about it:

Sport shooting is violence. It's about inflicting a high amount of damage on a target. Hunting is unquestionably violence. Shooting an intruder in one's house is violence. A common argument about guns is home defence, and many gun owners say how it's an effective method of security.

So you think people that like to shoot at paper targets are psychotic killers? And so hunting game animals is very bad, but its okay to do it in a slaughter house then coat their meat with slighly harmful chemicals and then sell them at supermarkets. Well, me being in rural Alaska id sometimes hunt my own food rather than travel miles to the city just to get some meat thats more likely to kill me than freshly hunted venison.

[Chernoslavia]

Missiles can bomb the ground, but only infantry can hold it.

The US armed forces currently have about 70.000 Infantrymen, the rest are people who handle logistics and maintenance.
These are the people that transport missiles from the factory to the military airfield, load the missile on the jet fighter, refuel it, clear it for takeoff, collect the timesheets of the people at the base etc.

These people are not an effective fighting force and would quickly be overrun by an armed militia, crippling the military.

Because obviously, they wouldn't even be slightly defended by said military. Not at all. I mean, it isn't like they work on military bases or anything, is it?

So do janitors. But you dont see the Army issuing them an M16.
Oh, wait.

[Czechanada]

Well, think about it:

Sport shooting is violence. It's about inflicting a high amount of damage on a target. Hunting is unquestionably violence. Shooting an intruder in one's house is violence. A common argument about guns is home defence, and many gun owners say how it's an effective method of security.

So you think people that like to shoot at paper targets are psychotic killers? And so hunting game animals is very bad, but its okay to do it in a slaughter house then coat their meat with slighly harmful chemicals and then sell them at supermarkets. Well, me being in rural Alaska id sometimes hunt my own food rather than travel miles to the city just to get some meat thats more likely to kill me than freshly hunted venison.

I never said anything about them being psychotic killers.

[Salandriagado]

Because obviously, they wouldn't even be slightly defended by said military. Not at all. I mean, it isn't like they work on military bases or anything, is it?

So do janitors. But you dont see the Army issuing them an M16.
Oh, wait.

HINT: To get to the janitors, you have to go past all of the other people on the base. You know, the ones that do have guns. What are they called? Oh yes, the military. Being defended by the military does not require being armed individually. That's kind of the point.

[Chernoslavia]

So you think people that like to shoot at paper targets are psychotic killers? And so hunting game animals is very bad, but its okay to do it in a slaughter house then coat their meat with slighly harmful chemicals and then sell them at supermarkets. Well, me being in rural Alaska id sometimes hunt my own food rather than travel miles to the city just to get some meat thats more likely to kill me than freshly hunted venison.

I never said anything about them being psychotic killers.

You said sport shooting is violence did you not? You also said that gun owners worship inanimate objects and violence did you not?

[Chernoslavia]

HINT: To get to the janitors, you have to go past all of the other people on the base. You know, the ones that do have guns. What are they called? Oh yes, the military. Being defended by the military does not require being armed individually. That's kind of the point.

Some members of certain militia groups are ex Navy Seals. But hey, lets just ignore that fact and instead under-estimate people for how they look.

[Czechanada]

I never said anything about them being psychotic killers.

You said sport shooting is violence did you not? You also said that gun owners worship inanimate objects and violence did you not?

Of course. However, I said that gun owners worship a specific kind of animate object.

I'm not being ignorant here; I'm referring to that one sociologist's (Marcuse, I think, but I am not sure) comparison of consumerism and religion.

[Alowwvia]

You said sport shooting is violence did you not? You also said that gun owners worship inanimate objects and violence did you not?

Of course. However, I said that gun owners worship a specific kind of animate object.

I'm not being ignorant here; I'm referring to that one sociologist's (Marcuse, I think, but I am not sure) comparison of consumerism and religion.

>worship

Nice job using loaded words.

[Chernoslavia]

You said sport shooting is violence did you not? You also said that gun owners worship inanimate objects and violence did you not?

Of course. However, I said that gun owners worship a specific kind of animate object.

I'm not being ignorant here; I'm referring to that one sociologist's (Marcuse, I think, but I am not sure) comparison of consumerism and religion.

...And that they crave violence.

[Salandriagado]

HINT: To get to the janitors, you have to go past all of the other people on the base. You know, the ones that do have guns. What are they called? Oh yes, the military. Being defended by the military does not require being armed individually. That's kind of the point.

Some members of certain militia groups are ex Navy Seals. But hey, lets just ignore that fact and instead under-estimate people for how they look.

And? "Some" ex-navy seals with small arms still doesn't beat an entire military base with heavy artillery and strike-bombers.

[Chernoslavia]

Some members of certain militia groups are ex Navy Seals. But hey, lets just ignore that fact and instead under-estimate people for how they look.

And? "Some" ex-navy seals with small arms still doesn't beat an entire military base with heavy artillery and strike-bombers.

And we can tell that you know nothing about guerrilla warfare. Also, we outnumber the army. Not to mention some commanding officers are Oath Keepers and will not obey unjust orders against the American people.

[Salandriagado]

And? "Some" ex-navy seals with small arms still doesn't beat an entire military base with heavy artillery and strike-bombers.

And we can tell that you know nothing about guerrilla warfare.

And we can tell that you still haven't read the fucking discussion that you are jumping into. I am responding to a claim that some militia is somehow going to break into a military base and kill all of the administrative staff, thereby magically rendering the military useless.

[Czechanada]

Of course. However, I said that gun owners worship a specific kind of animate object.

I'm not being ignorant here; I'm referring to that one sociologist's (Marcuse, I think, but I am not sure) comparison of consumerism and religion.

...And that they crave violence.

Yes, but craving violence is not a sign of being a crazed psychotic.

[Chernoslavia]

And we can tell that you know nothing about guerrilla warfare.

And we can tell that you still haven't read the fucking discussion that you are jumping into. I am responding to a claim that some militia is somehow going to break into a military base and kill all of the administrative staff, thereby magically rendering the military useless.

Nobody said anything about the militia killing administrative staff, thats what your saying. And what you said about the militia being easily defeated by the army is wrong.

[Chernoslavia]

...And that they crave violence.

Yes, but craving violence is not a sign of being a crazed psychotic.

Law abiding gun owners dont crave violence, so your still wrong.

[Salandriagado]

And we can tell that you still haven't read the fucking discussion that you are jumping into. I am responding to a claim that some militia is somehow going to break into a military base and kill all of the administrative staff, thereby magically rendering the military useless.

Nobody said that they would kill administrative staff, thats what your saying. And what you said about the militia being easily defeated by the army is wrong.

That is literally exactly and precisely what somebody claimed. Specifically, Bufaria claimed that the militia would kill "people who handle logistics and maintenance", "people that transport missiles from the factory to the military airfield, load the missile on the jet fighter, refuel it, clear it for takeoff, collect the timesheets of the people at the base etc.".


Now go back and read the fucking discussion before trying to jump into the middle of it and embarrassing yourself.

[Chernoslavia]

Nobody said that they would kill administrative staff, thats what your saying. And what you said about the militia being easily defeated by the army is wrong.

That is literally exactly and precisely what somebody claimed. Specifically, Bufaria claimed that the militia would kill "people who handle logistics and maintenance", "people that transport missiles from the factory to the military airfield, load the missile on the jet fighter, refuel it, clear it for takeoff, collect the timesheets of the people at the base etc.".


Now go back and read the fucking discussion before trying to jump into the middle of it and embarrassing yourself.

Prove it.

[Salandriagado]

That is literally exactly and precisely what somebody claimed. Specifically, Bufaria claimed that the militia would kill "people who handle logistics and maintenance", "people that transport missiles from the factory to the military airfield, load the missile on the jet fighter, refuel it, clear it for takeoff, collect the timesheets of the people at the base etc.".


Now go back and read the fucking discussion before trying to jump into the middle of it and embarrassing yourself.

Prove it.

It's quoted in the very top post on this page.

[Chernoslavia]

How could you not have known its illegal if your trying to sell it to an FFL (legal) dealer?

Now go and try reading the fucking discussion before jumping into the middle of it. We are talking about the currently perfectly legal background-check-less private sales that don't involve such a thing.

Your still wrong either way.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv4E7eDdVzg And then there's that Utah Sheriff who's willing to use his leverage of authority to push a fight with the feds. This is one of the few examples why I believe they care more about the 2nd Amendment than they do about victims of death by firearms.

Your beliefs are false.

Oh I can do that too: It's your beliefs that are false. See?

[Chernoslavia]

Prove it.

It's quoted in the very top post on this page.

So your admitting that your wrong? Got it.

[Chernoslavia]

Your beliefs are false.

Oh I can do that too: It's your beliefs that are false. See?

Im just going to ignore you...