Gun Bans

[Salandriagado]

Everyone says "you don't need 10 bullets to kill a deer!" The second amendment is not about hunting. Its about the right of the people to protect themselves if the government tries to establish a dictatorship. If you don't even know the amendment don't try to abolish it.

And how, exactly, are small arms going to help? That is: what are they going to do to stop a dictatorship without say, bomber wings, aircraft carriers and cruise missiles?

[Salandriagado]

I stand corrected. I don't feel the exception for private sales should exist.

I think private transactions are no ones business except the two parties involved, not even the governments.

Unless, of course, they are trading something that it is illegal for one of them to own, as it may well be if you don't have a background check.

[Manahakatouki]

Everyone says "you don't need 10 bullets to kill a deer!" The second amendment is not about hunting. Its about the right of the people to protect themselves if the government tries to establish a dictatorship. If you don't even know the amendment don't try to abolish it.

And how, exactly, are small arms going to help? That is: what are they going to do to stop a dictatorship without say, bomber wings, aircraft carriers and cruise missiles?

Obviously it means in respect to the current technology...

The forefathers intended to make it the right to bear nuclear arms down the road...

[Farnhamia]

And how, exactly, are small arms going to help? That is: what are they going to do to stop a dictatorship without say, bomber wings, aircraft carriers and cruise missiles?

Obviously it means in respect to the current technology...

The forefathers intended to make it the right to bear nuclear arms down the road...

But they didn't know what to call them, so they left it out. Dr. Franklin told me about this in a letter. He said that "giant sun-fire atom-smashing bomb" just didn't sound right. After discussing it over some of the wine I'd sent him, he and Madison decided to just leave the 2nd Amendment at "bear arms."

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Wayne LaPierre said and I quote:

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

So by that logic, we can safely assume that the only way to stop a bad guy with a nuke, is a good guy with a nuke.

[Yes Im Biop]

Wayne LaPierre said and I quote:

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

So by that logic, we can safely assume that the only way to stop a bad guy with a nuke, is a good guy with a nuke.

It's worked pretty well thus far

[Czechanada]

It always frightens me how gun owners have such a deep worship of guns and a lust for violence.

[Yes Im Biop]

It always frightens me how gun owners have such a deep worship of guns and a lust for violence.

Violence no. But I can think of a few people, Probably some people on this thread, That could buy a nice house with the money they have spent on the Gun's they have bought

[Chernoslavia]

We already have plenty of regulation. No more is needed.

Depending upon the nature of the regulation, I disagree.

So what would you propose then?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

It always frightens me how gun owners have such a deep worship of guns and a lust for violence.

Knock off the trolling.

[Manahakatouki]

Obviously it means in respect to the current technology...

The forefathers intended to make it the right to bear nuclear arms down the road...

But they didn't know what to call them, so they left it out. Dr. Franklin told me about this in a letter. He said that "giant sun-fire atom-smashing bomb" just didn't sound right. After discussing it over some of the wine I'd sent him, he and Madison decided to just leave the 2nd Amendment at "bear arms."

An oversimplification that has hurt us dearly...

[Gun Manufacturers]

I'm good with that.

A firearm. ONE firearm.

There is no reason to extend that right to dozens or hundreds of firearms.

No one firearm is good for every situation. A .30-06 is great for medium size game like deer, but not so good for small game or home defense. A .22lr pistol is a great short range target pistol and decent for small game, but isn't for medium size game or self defense (although it's better than nothing). A shotgun is great for medium size game, and great for home defense, but for long range shots or precision target shooting you're going to be disappointed.

[Chernoslavia]

I think private transactions are no ones business except the two parties involved, not even the governments.

Unless, of course, they are trading something that it is illegal for one of them to own, as it may well be if you don't have a background check.

So if they wanted to trade something illegal then what good would it do if a law was put in to have to do the background check? If the item they are trading is illegal, then both parties would have no problem braking the law again by not attempting to do a background check.

[Salandriagado]

Unless, of course, they are trading something that it is illegal for one of them to own, as it may well be if you don't have a background check.

So if they wanted to trade something illegal then what good would it do if a law was put in to have to do the background check? If the item they are trading is illegal, then both parties would have no problem braking the law again by not attempting to do a background check.

The point is that it stops people selling them without knowing that it's illegal, and provides a route to prosecuting the people that are arming the criminals.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

An oversimplification that has hurt us dearly...

True, though the vagueness of the amendments is one of the main reasons why the U.S. Constitution has still remained in effect since its inception. The Swiss gun policy model is what America should be adopting to represent the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

[Chernoslavia]

So if they wanted to trade something illegal then what good would it do if a law was put in to have to do the background check? If the item they are trading is illegal, then both parties would have no problem braking the law again by not attempting to do a background check.

The point is that it stops people selling them without knowing that it's illegal, and provides a route to prosecuting the people that are arming the criminals.

How could you not have known its illegal if your trying to sell it to an FFL (legal) dealer?

[Czechanada]

It always frightens me how gun owners have such a deep worship of guns and a lust for violence.

Knock off the trolling.

That is my serious opinion. It is not in my intention to troll.

[Chernoslavia]

Knock off the trolling.

That is my serious opinion. It is not in my intention to troll.

So you honestly think that we crave violence?!

[Czechanada]

That is my serious opinion. It is not in my intention to troll.

So you honestly think that we crave violence?!

Well, think about it:

Sport shooting is violence. It's about inflicting a high amount of damage on a target. Hunting is unquestionably violence. Shooting an intruder in one's house is violence. A common argument about guns is home defence, and many gun owners say how it's an effective method of security.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

So you honestly think that we crave violence?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv4E7eDdVzg And then there's that Utah Sheriff who's willing to use his leverage of authority to push a fight with the feds. This is one of the few examples why I believe they care more about the 2nd Amendment than they do about victims of death by firearms.

[Bafuria]

Everyone says "you don't need 10 bullets to kill a deer!" The second amendment is not about hunting. Its about the right of the people to protect themselves if the government tries to establish a dictatorship. If you don't even know the amendment don't try to abolish it.

And how, exactly, are small arms going to help? That is: what are they going to do to stop a dictatorship without say, bomber wings, aircraft carriers and cruise missiles?

Missiles can bomb the ground, but only infantry can hold it.

The US armed forces currently have about 70.000 Infantrymen, the rest are people who handle logistics and maintenance.
These are the people that transport missiles from the factory to the military airfield, load the missile on the jet fighter, refuel it, clear it for takeoff, collect the timesheets of the people at the base etc.

These people are not an effective fighting force and would quickly be overrun by an armed militia, crippling the military.

[Paddy O Fernature]

So you honestly think that we crave violence?!

Well, think about it:

Sport shooting is violence...

Stopped reading right here.

[Greed and Death]

A firearm. ONE firearm.

There is no reason to extend that right to dozens or hundreds of firearms.

No one firearm is good for every situation. A .30-06 is great for medium size game like deer, but not so good for small game or home defense. A .22lr pistol is a great short range target pistol and decent for small game, but isn't for medium size game or self defense (although it's better than nothing). A shotgun is great for medium size game, and great for home defense, but for long range shots or precision target shooting you're going to be disappointed.

Dont forget the problem of having to fix so many holes in the wall when you use a shot gun for home defense.

[Scandinaviay]

The ignorance in this list shows. The Vz 58 isn't mentioned because its not popular I assume.

[Salandriagado]

The point is that it stops people selling them without knowing that it's illegal, and provides a route to prosecuting the people that are arming the criminals.

How could you not have known its illegal if your trying to sell it to an FFL (legal) dealer?

Now go and try reading the fucking discussion before jumping into the middle of it. We are talking about the currently perfectly legal background-check-less private sales that don't involve such a thing.