Gun Bans

[Republica Newland]

you do realize it also banned the importation of assault rifles, and other machine guns, created a licencing system for gunstores, and required firearms to have serial numbers.
Wow clearly the entire law was based around banning inexpensive guns.

care to cherry pick some more.

How the f is this cherry picking? So in your mind just because parts of it sound "good" to you,you just choose to ignore the rest?

[Republica Newland]

of course the government has no place telling me I can't sell my gun to any random stranger I meet on the street. ;S

It's none of the government's business to enforce its own laws! How dare you insinuate that the ATF ought to be able to do a yearly inventory check on gun dealers to see if they're selling under the table to criminals, sirrah! I am shocked and offended at this suggestion that the ATF perhaps needs to hire more full-time agents today than they had four decades ago!

It's none of the Government's business of enforcing its' own founding document,the Constitution!!! How dare you insinuate that they should?!

[Dyakovo]

It's none of the government's business to enforce its own laws! How dare you insinuate that the ATF ought to be able to do a yearly inventory check on gun dealers to see if they're selling under the table to criminals, sirrah! I am shocked and offended at this suggestion that the ATF perhaps needs to hire more full-time agents today than they had four decades ago!

It's none of the Government's business of enforcing its' own founding document,the Constitution!!! How dare you insinuate that they should?!

The constitution and SCotUS disagree.

[Republica Newland]

Coming from someone who has heavily implied that anyone wanting to own guns is a criminal, this is funny.

I personally think that wanting to own certain guns is criminal. (SMG, RPG, Heavy's Gun from tf2, etc.) But stuff like pistols, rifles, etc. isnt criminal. Also I like the idea of placing an id on a gun so police can scan it. Like if your gun is rumored to be murder weapon from years ago and it matches ballistics and stuff they can check to see when you bought it and who from so that way they can get the right guy.

So just because you'd like to own a certain gun automatically equals that you're a criminal. Fucking hell. SMGs? You do realize that REGISTERED full-automatic firearms owners are some of the most law-abiding people you'll ever meet? You do realize that only 1 incident with REGISTERED fully automatic firearms has EVER happened in 80 years since the NFA was enacted? Aaaand... get this.. it was a police officer I guess you didn't know that. Facts are obviously too hard to grasp by the gun control crowd,let's turn on MSNBC and get our daily share of brainwash

[Republica Newland]

Fucking hell.. cut it out already I DIDN'T KNOW GUN RIGHTS ADVOCATES WERE ADVOCATING FOR MILITARY HARDWARE AND NUKE RIGHTS THEY WERE ADVOCATING GUN RIGHTS. DO you see us going against laws that restrict shit such as tanks or nukes? No? Didn't think so either. Now stop diverting the argument. It's either this or the race card,you people obviously fail at making decent point so you resort to unrelated bullshit.

In fairness, trying to discredit everyone who's against gun rights because of that post is a little silly. I advocate the banning of guns, and none of my arguments have ever had anything to do with tanks, nukes or race.

You're one in a million pal. If I'd get a penny for each and every time that I have been directly or indirectly called racist or was given the tanks and nukes bullshit,I'd be sitting on fucking piles.

[Sociobiology]

the funny thing is I am not really for banning guns, I am all for requiring a concrete paper trail and licencing.
In my state you have to have a personal firearms permit to buy a gun. Which I think should be enacted country wide. buying a gun should be at least as difficult as getting a drivers licence. I want police to be able to scan the serial number of gun and have its complete history, including ballistic marking. And your licence should be the same way.

Cop scans gun's serial number, hey this pistol is suspected as used in a homicide in 1998 based on its factory recorded ballistic profile.
cop scans your licence, and I can see you bought the gun in 2003 for dealer XYZ. I think I'm going to go check his records, and see where he got it from.

the really surprising thing is most gun owners are for this, while their lobby continues to fight it.

...I am at a loss for words at how someone who is against my views could say something so smart... Anyways these are my new views. Also if the lobby didnt do anything then why are they against this system?

Are you sure I am against your views?
I more than willing to attack the arguments of those I agree with if those arguments are poorly formed or unsupported.

[Sociobiology]

I personally think that wanting to own certain guns is criminal. (SMG, RPG, Heavy's Gun from tf2, etc.) But stuff like pistols, rifles, etc. isnt criminal. Also I like the idea of placing an id on a gun so police can scan it. Like if your gun is rumored to be murder weapon from years ago and it matches ballistics and stuff they can check to see when you bought it and who from so that way they can get the right guy.

Legal guns already have a serial number.

but no federal database to track them because with unlicensed unrecorded sales being legal it would do no good.

[The UK in Exile]

In fairness, trying to discredit everyone who's against gun rights because of that post is a little silly. I advocate the banning of guns, and none of my arguments have ever had anything to do with tanks, nukes or race.

You're one in a million pal. If I'd get a penny for each and every time that I have been directly or indirectly called racist or was given the tanks and nukes bullshit,I'd be sitting on fucking piles.

there's medicine for that these days.

[Sociobiology]

Ma Deuce is a heavy machine-gun, not some video game fantasy, and the Mk19 is essentially the same thing except it fires a 40mm grenade.

I'm not talking about the Ma Deuce -_- you saw the words Heavy and Gun and got confused...
Also how is a grenade launcher a gun

how is it not a gun?

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'm not talking about the Ma Deuce -_- you saw the words Heavy and Gun and got confused...
Also how is a grenade launcher a gun

how is it not a gun?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun#Terminology

[Sociobiology]

you do realize it also banned the importation of assault rifles, and other machine guns, created a licencing system for gunstores, and required firearms to have serial numbers.
Wow clearly the entire law was based around banning inexpensive guns.

care to cherry pick some more.

How the f is this cherry picking? So in your mind just because parts of it sound "good" to you,you just choose to ignore the rest?

picking a specific characteristic our of a set of characteristics and claim that characteristic is the important one with no evidence that this is the significant characteristic is cherry picking.

[Sociobiology]

how is it not a gun?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun#Terminology

read your own source
"A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile."

again how is a grenade launcher not a gun?

[Republica Newland]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun#Terminology

read your own source
"A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile."

again how is a grenade launcher not a gun?

A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile.

Arrows are projectiles.

Therefore,crossbows are guns.

Congratulations.

[The Emerald Dawn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun#Terminology

read your own source
"A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile."

again how is a grenade launcher not a gun?

Why the fuck do you think I'm arguing with you?

[Republica Newland]

How the f is this cherry picking? So in your mind just because parts of it sound "good" to you,you just choose to ignore the rest?

picking a specific characteristic our of a set of characteristics and claim that characteristic is the important one with no evidence that this is the significant characteristic is cherry picking.

So racism / classism isn't important?

L.E.: Not to mention that he didn't claim shit,and that,as I said earlier,whether or not something is important/significant is subjective. The existence of classist and racist laws is not.

[Sociobiology]

read your own source
"A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile."

again how is a grenade launcher not a gun?

Why the fuck do you think I'm arguing with you?

that the normal condition when someone just posts a link.
generally people providing supporting evidence make some statement as such.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Why the fuck do you think I'm arguing with you?

that the normal condition when someone just posts a link.
generally people providing supporting evidence make some statement as such.

I'm not supporting anything, I'm just putting the terminology out there based on a valid source. I think the whole fucking conversation is beyond fuckheaded, but it's like a damn trainwreck. I can't look away.

[Sociobiology]

picking a specific characteristic our of a set of characteristics and claim that characteristic is the important one with no evidence that this is the significant characteristic is cherry picking.

So racism / classism isn't important?

racism and classism were not involved.
so they would be non-sequitur not cherry picking.

did you miss the posts were I went over both the possible reasons for targeting Saturday night specials (a small number of the guns targeted in the bill) and the reasons actually given for targeting them?

[Sociobiology]

read your own source
"A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile."

again how is a grenade launcher not a gun?

A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile.

Arrows are projectiles.

Therefore,crossbows are guns.

Congratulations.

hey, not my source.

I can show it is a gun much easier,
is this a gun?

[YellowApple]

read your own source
"A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile."

again how is a grenade launcher not a gun?

A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile.

Arrows are projectiles.

Therefore,crossbows are guns.

Congratulations.

Technically speaking, that is true.

EXCEPT!

The projectile isn't being "discharged" per se, since it is not contained *within* the crossbow. It would be similar to why a longbow isn't a gun; the arrow isn't contained within the bow, but instead remains external to it.

[Republica Newland]

A gun is a weapon designed to discharge a projectile.

Arrows are projectiles.

Therefore,crossbows are guns.

Congratulations.

hey, not my source.

I can show it is a gun much easier,
is this a gun?

A shotgun is not a grenade launcher. Funny for you to mention non-sequitur as this is a great example.

[Little Flowers]

Guns bans of any form are bad. The people are the ultimate guarantee for and againat any government. One should not limit their military that way.

[Sociobiology]

hey, not my source.

I can show it is a gun much easier,
is this a gun?

A shotgun is not a grenade launcher. Funny for you to mention non-sequitur as this is a great example.

wrong

[Sociobiology]

you can
such tanks have all armament removed as well as any reactive armor.

And that is wrong how? Or relevant to our discussion at all? Threadjacking much? Again?

1. I did not thread jack this thread, ever. I made a legitimate relevant response to an outrageous argument.

2. the combat capability of the tank is removed before it is sold, the law has no problem with you buying a ANY gun once the barrel is welded shut and firing pin has been removed.

[Republica Newland]

So racism / classism isn't important?

racism and classism were not involved.
so they would be non-sequitur not cherry picking.

did you miss the posts were I went over both the possible reasons for targeting Saturday night specials (a small number of the guns targeted in the bill) and the reasons actually given for targeting them?

I generally refrain from replying to posts which aren't worthwhile,but I'll make an exception just for you.Saturday Night Specials won't blow up in your hand.They're simply affordable,no frills guns.Do you have any proof to back up your claims?