Gun Bans

[Sociobiology]

I see one of you saying "the right to buy and sell private property should be left alone and far from government meddling".

The logical consequence of that is that you literally could buy tanks or nukes. You could sell them to al quaida. The question is entirely relevant, and logically valid to challeng Grinning Dragon's assertion.

Do YOU agree that "the right to buy and sell private property should be left alone and far from government meddling" ?

I believe you can buy de-militarized tanks, and even collect them. I am not sure, and no I will not look up a source as this is simply MY opinion.

you can
such tanks have all armament removed as well as any reactive armor.

[Dyakovo]

I believe you can buy de-militarized tanks, and even collect them. I am not sure, and no I will not look up a source as this is simply MY opinion.

you can
such tanks have all armament removed as well as any reactive armor.

Not removed, disabled.

[Sociobiology]

To insure that any potential victim can defend themselves with a gun, you'd have to provide a gun to any citizen who can't afford to buy one. Yeah or Nay to that?

Seeing as one of the targets for gun-control advocates are the inexpensive guns, they have forced the answer to Yeah. By gun-control logic, the most likely victims are priced out of their right to effective self defense. Racist, Classist and wrong.

source? I was not aware an AR15 was an "inexpensive" gun

[Sociobiology]

you can
such tanks have all armament removed as well as any reactive armor.

Not removed, disabled.

well it depends on the armament; rockets, explosives, and anti infantry weapons are removed, launch tubes and large bore guns are welded shut, have the barrel filled, and usually have part of the firing computer removed.
basically if it could be used without the tank they remove it.

[Dyakovo]

Seeing as one of the targets for gun-control advocates are the inexpensive guns, they have forced the answer to Yeah. By gun-control logic, the most likely victims are priced out of their right to effective self defense. Racist, Classist and wrong.

source? I was not aware an AR15 was an "inexpensive" gun

The Gun Control Act of 1968 banned the importation and manufacture of many saturday-nightspecials made and sold in prior years, mostnotable a large number of revolvers made by Röhm (RG).

[Sociobiology]

source? I was not aware an AR15 was an "inexpensive" gun

The Gun Control Act of 1968 banned the importation and manufacture of many saturday-nightspecials made and sold in prior years, mostnotable a large number of revolvers made by Röhm (RG).

you do realize it also banned the importation of assault rifles, and other machine guns, created a licencing system for gunstores, and required firearms to have serial numbers.
Wow clearly the entire law was based around banning inexpensive guns.

care to cherry pick some more.

[Dyakovo]

you do realize it also banned the importation of assault rifles, and other machine guns, created a licencing system for gunstores, and required firearms to have serial numbers.
Wow clearly the entire law was based around banning inexpensive guns.

care to cherry pick some more.

No cherry-picking involved. I addressed the question you asked.

[Sociobiology]

you do realize it also banned the importation of assault rifles, and other machine guns, created a licencing system for gunstores, and required firearms to have serial numbers.
Wow clearly the entire law was based around banning inexpensive guns.

care to cherry pick some more.

No cherry-picking involved. I addressed the question you asked.

no you didn't
nothing in your "source" indicates that this was done in an effort to target inexpensive guns.

now inexpensive guns were targeted because they were assumed to be purchased as throw away guns for criminals, which is false, but I am also not aware of any current effort to target these firearms.

[Dyakovo]

No cherry-picking involved. I addressed the question you asked.

no you didn't
nothing in your "source" indicates that this was done in an effort to target inexpensive guns.

Other than, you know, inexpensive guns being targeted...

[Sociobiology]

no you didn't
nothing in your "source" indicates that this was done in an effort to target inexpensive guns.

Other than, you know, inexpensive guns being targeted...

which nothing you posted indicates.

all I asking if for you to provide some sliver of evidence for your claim.

[Dyakovo]

Other than, you know, inexpensive guns being targeted...

which nothing you posted indicates.

all I asking if for you to provide some sliver of evidence for your claim.

The blurb from Wikipedia that I posted is evidence supporting Jim's claim. I suggest you re-read it.

[Sociobiology]

which nothing you posted indicates.

all I asking if for you to provide some sliver of evidence for your claim.

The blurb from Wikipedia that I posted is evidence supporting Jim's claim. I suggest you re-read it.

Saturday nigh specials are poor quality, inexpensive firearms that often had no serial number, any one of those features could have been the reason for there banning.
so no it does not support either the first or second part of his claim.
come on its not very hard.

I've already done it, see the other spoiler
only the first part of his claim is supported by evidence

[Sibirsky]

People attempt to ban unnecessary guns based on arbitrary definitions of "assault", ignore the fact that we should regulate all guns more heavily, instead of banning certain ones.

Yes. Because criminals go through the legal channels of buying guns!

FFS. During the handgun ban in DC, you could pick one up, right of the streets for $25 with drive through service.

[Dyakovo]

The blurb from Wikipedia that I posted is evidence supporting Jim's claim. I suggest you re-read it.

Saturday nigh specials are poor quality, inexpensive fire arms that often had no serial number, any one of those features could have been the reason for there banning.
so no it does not support either the first or second part of his claim.
come on its not very hard.

I've already done it, see the other spoiler
only the first part of his claim is supported by evidence

You asked for evidence of gun control advocates targeting inexpensive handguns, that is exactly what you got.

[Sociobiology]

People attempt to ban unnecessary guns based on arbitrary definitions of "assault", ignore the fact that we should regulate all guns more heavily, instead of banning certain ones.

Yes. Because criminals go through the legal channels of buying guns!

oddly enough yes yes they do,

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

more importantly most of the guns used in crimes are acquired legally at some point in their history, meaning banning a gun entirely would almost guarantee its removal.

[Sociobiology]

Saturday nigh specials are poor quality, inexpensive fire arms that often had no serial number, any one of those features could have been the reason for there banning.
so no it does not support either the first or second part of his claim.
come on its not very hard.

I've already done it, see the other spoiler
only the first part of his claim is supported by evidence

You asked for evidence of gun control advocates targeting inexpensive handguns, that is exactly what you got.

not yet I haven't

[New England and The Maritimes]

Yes. Because criminals go through the legal channels of buying guns!

oddly enough yes yes they do,

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

more importantly most of the guns used in crimes are acquired legally at some point in their history, meaning banning a gun entirely would almost guarantee its removal.

Yeah, but thanks to the NRA Mouthpieces(AKA Republicans) in congress, the ATF is not legally capable of regulating firearms.

[Sibirsky]

I like to smoke some pot once in a while. I don't think it's a big deal. The cops do. So I once went to jail. My celly on the inside was in there for armed robbery.

Once I got out, I ran into him. He had turned his life around and became a successful surgeon. So I asked him what led to that. He said once he got out, he wanted to continue his career in armed robbery. But when he went to buy a gun, because of his criminal record he failed the background check and they denied him the sale. He said, "shit. Armed robbery is obviously out. It's time for a career change." So he became a surgeon.

[Sociobiology]

oddly enough yes yes they do,

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

more importantly most of the guns used in crimes are acquired legally at some point in their history, meaning banning a gun entirely would almost guarantee its removal.

Yeah, but thanks to the NRA Mouthpieces(AKA Republicans) in congress, the ATF is not legally capable of regulating firearms.

of course the government has no place telling me I can't sell my gun to any random stranger I meet on the street. ;S

[Sociobiology]

I like to smoke some pot once in a while. I don't think it's a big deal. The cops do. So I once went to jail. My celly on the inside was in there for armed robbery.

Once I got out, I ran into him. He had turned his life around and became a successful surgeon. So I asked him what led to that. He said once he got out, he wanted to continue his career in armed robbery. But when he went to buy a gun, because of his criminal record he failed the background check and they denied him the sale. He said, "shit. Armed robbery is obviously out. It's time for a career change." So he became a surgeon.

obvious bait and switch aside, you do realize you are going to argue for banning guns in the first place since that would have made them difficult to find.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Yeah, but thanks to the NRA Mouthpieces(AKA Republicans) in congress, the ATF is not legally capable of regulating firearms.

of course the government has no place telling me I can't sell my gun to any random stranger I meet on the street. ;S

It's none of the government's business to enforce its own laws! How dare you insinuate that the ATF ought to be able to do a yearly inventory check on gun dealers to see if they're selling under the table to criminals, sirrah! I am shocked and offended at this suggestion that the ATF perhaps needs to hire more full-time agents today than they had four decades ago!

[Sibirsky]

I like to smoke some pot once in a while. I don't think it's a big deal. The cops do. So I once went to jail. My celly on the inside was in there for armed robbery.

Once I got out, I ran into him. He had turned his life around and became a successful surgeon. So I asked him what led to that. He said once he got out, he wanted to continue his career in armed robbery. But when he went to buy a gun, because of his criminal record he failed the background check and they denied him the sale. He said, "shit. Armed robbery is obviously out. It's time for a career change." So he became a surgeon.

obvious bait and switch aside, you do realize you are going to argue for banning guns in the first place since that would have made them difficult to find.

Too late for that.

[Kavanian States]

Background checks are good, bans, not so much.

[Sibirsky]

Background checks are good, bans, not so much.

Fair enough.

[Sociobiology]

of course the government has no place telling me I can't sell my gun to any random stranger I meet on the street. ;S

It's none of the government's business to enforce its own laws! How dare you insinuate that the ATF ought to be able to do a yearly inventory check on gun dealers to see if they're selling under the table to criminals, sirrah! I am shocked and offended at this suggestion that the ATF perhaps needs to hire more full-time agents today than they had four decades ago!

the funny thing is I am not really for banning guns, I am all for requiring a concrete paper trail and licencing.
In my state you have to have a personal firearms permit to buy a gun. Which I think should be enacted country wide. buying a gun should be at least as difficult as getting a drivers licence. I want police to be able to scan the serial number of gun and have its complete history, including ballistic marking. And your licence should be the same way.

Cop scans gun's serial number, hey this pistol is suspected as used in a homicide in 1998 based on its factory recorded ballistic profile.
cop scans your licence, and I can see you bought the gun in 2003 for dealer XYZ. I think I'm going to go check his records, and see where he got it from.

the really surprising thing is most gun owners are for this, while their lobby continues to fight it.