Gun Bans

[Paddy O Fernature]

unless you are a private seller at a gunshow, then you are exempt.
so no a record of sale is not required.

Wait, what? I think you're contradicting your own statements there.

Pretty much this.

Think I'm done with this one.

(Hands off torch)

[Alekera]

You would have to be monumentally dumb to rebel against the US in the first place.

The US would be monumentally dumb to make you actually want to rebel against it in the first place.

This!

[Republica Newland]

<snip>

We're already closing in to 300 million firearms owned by individuals here in the US if we haven't already passed that.Given this fact,how are technological improvements and affordability relevant to further gun control? Do you think that the American of the future would own 50 guns,or what? Just because phones are getting more and more technologically improved and affordable doesn't mean an individual will have more phones,it just means that more people will have one. Which is nothing but a good thing,both in the case of phones and guns. Unless you can prove the United States is a country of criminals and nutjobs,more average people owning guns is nothing but a good thing.

[Sociobiology]

really where does it say that?
I'll wait.
licences dealers at gunshows still have to do it, private sellers at gunshows do not.
you don't have to be a licences dealer to have a booth at a gunshow.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/blgunshow.htm

All dealers must keep records of sales. Id quote it for you, but you really need to read and get educated on the topic abit.

yes all federally licences dealers, not all the people with booths selling guns at a gun show are licences dealers. a dealers licence is not required to sell guns at a gunshow.

read it in your own source

NON-LICENSED RESIDENTS OF THIS STATE: ... MAY acquire from and dispose of personal firearms to non-licensed residents of this state.

[Grinning Dragon]

They still require a record of sale in gunshows, which you claimed was not true.

unless you are a private seller at a gunshow, then you are exempt.
so no a record of sale is not required.

What is it about a private person renting a booth at a gun show vs a private seller putting an ad in a newspaper or online say at gunlist, etc?
Either way it is still legal for a private sale to be conducted. This is no different of when my friends and I go out to those idiotic gun buy backs and offer them cash instead of them getting some dumb gas card. It is a legal transaction.

So what is it that a gun show makes this much more detrimental?

[Sociobiology]

unless you are a private seller at a gunshow, then you are exempt.
so no a record of sale is not required.

Wait, what? I think you're contradicting your own statements there.

not in the slightest.

If you hold a federal firearms dealer permit you need to keep a record, even if you sell at a gunshow.
if you do not hold a federal firearms dealer permit, you CAN sell guns at a gunshow and you DO NOT need to record the sale.

[Chernoslavia]

Wait, what? I think you're contradicting your own statements there.

not in the slightest.

If you hold a federal firearms dealer permit you need to keep a record, even if you sell at a gunshow.
if you do not hold a federal firearms dealer permit, you CAN sell guns at a gunshow and you DO NOT need to record the sale.

Your mistaking the record of sale for a background check.

[Sociobiology]

unless you are a private seller at a gunshow, then you are exempt.
so no a record of sale is not required.

What is it about a private person renting a booth at a gun show vs a private seller putting an ad in a newspaper or online say at gunlist, etc?
Either way it is still legal for a private sale to be conducted. This is no different of when my friends and I go out to those idiotic gun buy backs and offer them cash instead of them getting some dumb gas card. It is a legal transaction.

So what is it that a gun show makes this much more detrimental?

1. None of those should be legal, without a record and permit.

2. gunshows are more detrimental simply because they involve extremely large numbers of such sales, and could easily be regulated.
Not that I ever argued it was, more detrimental up till this point, I merely said you could buy guns with no record at a gun show and people popped up and tried and failed to prove me wrong.

[Republica Newland]

Yeah fuck standing up for what you believe is right, *avoids the Godwin*

Standing up for what you believe in by taking up arms against one of the most militarised nations in the world (from inside said nation) is dumb.

We already explained why that is a non-argument,now could the gun control advocates stop flexing the muscles of the Government? I don't think that you have realized this but what we are talking about when we say we will not hesitate to kill to protect ourselves and our rights is an action entirely dependent upon us.I can't say the same for your case,your fantasies about the Government carpet bombing or nuking civilians aren't up to you.You're not the Government.So stop drooling over this nonsense.

[Sociobiology]

not in the slightest.

If you hold a federal firearms dealer permit you need to keep a record, even if you sell at a gunshow.
if you do not hold a federal firearms dealer permit, you CAN sell guns at a gunshow and you DO NOT need to record the sale.

Your mistaking the record of sale for a background check.

No. I'm not.
If you think I am prove me wrong, is should be a very easy claim to disprove if it is wrong.

[Republica Newland]

What is it about a private person renting a booth at a gun show vs a private seller putting an ad in a newspaper or online say at gunlist, etc?
Either way it is still legal for a private sale to be conducted. This is no different of when my friends and I go out to those idiotic gun buy backs and offer them cash instead of them getting some dumb gas card. It is a legal transaction.

So what is it that a gun show makes this much more detrimental?

1. None of those should be legal, without a record and permit.

Pfff,says fucking who?

What is that fucking evil and outrageous in being able to rent a goddamn gun and fire it on site? Jesus Christ,stupidity is taking over the planet.

[Sociobiology]

1. None of those should be legal, without a record and permit.

Pfff,says fucking who?

What is that fucking evil and outrageous in being able to rent a goddamn gun and fire it on site? Jesus Christ,stupidity is taking over the planet.

1. its an opinion that's what "should" means, I even underlined it and still I get this nonsense.

2. renting a gun =/= purchasing a gun.
I would like you to show me where I have said anything about renting a gun.

[Grinning Dragon]

What is it about a private person renting a booth at a gun show vs a private seller putting an ad in a newspaper or online say at gunlist, etc?
Either way it is still legal for a private sale to be conducted. This is no different of when my friends and I go out to those idiotic gun buy backs and offer them cash instead of them getting some dumb gas card. It is a legal transaction.

So what is it that a gun show makes this much more detrimental?

1. None of those should be legal, without a record and permit.

2. gunshows are more detrimental simply because they involve extremely large numbers of such sales, and could easily be regulated.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Currently these things are legal so to me this is a NON ISSUE. But hey why stop there at firearms sales, lets make everything subjected to bill of sale and permits.

[Sociobiology]

1. None of those should be legal, without a record and permit.

2. gunshows are more detrimental simply because they involve extremely large numbers of such sales, and could easily be regulated.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Currently these things are legal so to me this is a NON ISSUE.

then why are you weighing in on it?

[Grinning Dragon]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Currently these things are legal so to me this is a NON ISSUE.

then why are you weighing in on it?

Well for the longest time for me going way back to the 70's there has always been this non issue of private sales being allowed and that this somehow is detrimental to society when it isn't. The right to buy and sell private property should be left alone and far from govt meddling.

[Sociobiology]

then why are you weighing in on it?

Well for the longest time for me going way back to the 70's there has always been this non issue of private sales being allowed and that this somehow is detrimental to society when it isn't. The right to buy and sell private property should be left alone and far from govt meddling.

so I should be able to sell uranium to al qaeda if I so choose?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Well for the longest time for me going way back to the 70's there has always been this non issue of private sales being allowed and that this somehow is detrimental to society when it isn't. The right to buy and sell private property should be left alone and far from govt meddling.

so I should be able to sell uranium to al qaeda if I so choose?

Nice Hyperbole.

[Grinning Dragon]

Well for the longest time for me going way back to the 70's there has always been this non issue of private sales being allowed and that this somehow is detrimental to society when it isn't. The right to buy and sell private property should be left alone and far from govt meddling.

so I should be able to sell uranium to al qaeda if I so choose?

So now we are going from firearms to uranium now are we?

[Sociobiology]

so I should be able to sell uranium to al qaeda if I so choose?

So now we are going from firearms to uranium now are we?

your the one who went into property rights.

[Paddy O Fernature]

So now we are going from firearms to uranium now are we?

your the one who went into property rights.

Can you lay off the strawman and actually stick to the topic at hand?

[Sociobiology]

so I should be able to sell uranium to al qaeda if I so choose?

Nice Hyperbole.

you don't know what hyperbole is do you?

because a geologist potentially selling uranium is not hyperbole.

[Sociobiology]

your the one who went into property rights.

Can you lay off the strawman and actually stick to the topic at hand?

I did, I was not the one who decided to argue that regulating gun sales was a violation of property rights.

PS. have you finished reading your source yet?

[YellowApple]

Wait, what? I think you're contradicting your own statements there.

not in the slightest.

If you hold a federal firearms dealer permit you need to keep a record, even if you sell at a gunshow.
if you do not hold a federal firearms dealer permit, you CAN sell guns at a gunshow and you DO NOT need to record the sale.

I misread your statement (which seemed to indicate that one is exempt unless he/she is a private seller). My apologies.

[Ovisterra]

so I should be able to sell uranium to al qaeda if I so choose?

Nice Hyperbole.

It's a valid question.

[Dyakovo]

Nice Hyperbole.

It's a valid question.

It has nothing to do with the thread topic.