Gun Bans

[Ovisterra]

Standing up for what you believe in by taking up arms against one of the most militarised nations in the world (from inside said nation) is dumb.

Give me liberty or give me death.

I'm all for liberty and standing up for what I believe in, but in this case it's just suicide.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Didn't someone on here already try to claim that shooting paper targets IS violence/training for killing others?

Would it be this---> viewtopic.php?p=12056487#p12056487

Think that was it. Gotta love the amount of fail within one post, eh?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Give me liberty or give me death.

I'm all for liberty and standing up for what I believe in, but in this case it's just suicide.

Normally, yes.

However, you are working under the assumption that the entire US military across all branches would remain intact during said civil war/collapse and not splinter.

[Sociobiology]

Grandfathered guns aren't the problem. Sales of new guns are the problem (particularly handguns). Guns used in crimes are mostly new (under 4 years since first sale).

You can help solve this problem. Or you can be neutral on it (owning a gun, or not). But I get the strong impression that you don't think it's a problem ... you want to sell guns to anyone you choose to, without any government regulation of that.

Frankly, that makes you part of the gun problem. That makes you a clear target of gun control, and a good friend to criminals.

Not a criminal mind you. I never called you a criminal. But a big fat target for gun control.

This makes no sense. Sales of guns new or not require the same legal process to legally obtain them.

wrong
gun show buys are a great example.

[Paddy O Fernature]

This makes no sense. Sales of guns new or not require the same legal process to legally obtain them.

wrong
gun show buys are a great example.

Last time I bought a firearm at a gun show, I still had to fill out paperwork.

[Sociobiology]

wrong
gun show buys are a great example.

Last time I bought a firearm at a gun show, I still had to fill out paperwork.

filing out paperwork =/= the same legal process
did you have a background check?

personal collection buys have almost no regulations, and these make up the majority of gun show purchases.

As a gun owner I want strict record keeping for gun sales, And licencing that includes a proficiency test.
Buying a gun should not be easier than buying a car (aside from cost of course).

[Paddy O Fernature]

Last time I bought a firearm at a gun show, I still had to fill out paperwork.

filing out paperwork =/= the same legal process
did you have a background check?

Yes. I played with my soon to be firearm while it was done over the phone with the seller.

Buying a gun from a dealer, is not the same as a law abiding citizen privately selling their firearm. I think you are getting the two mixed up here.

[Chernoslavia]

This makes no sense. Sales of guns new or not require the same legal process to legally obtain them.

wrong
gun show buys are a great example.

If your selling a gun at a gunshow you still need to have a record of sale.

[Sociobiology]

filing out paperwork =/= the same legal process
did you have a background check?

Yes. I played with my soon to be firearm while it was done over the phone with the seller.

which has what to do with the conversation?

Buying a gun from a dealer, is not the same as a law abiding citizen privately selling their firearm. I think you are getting the two mixed up here.

correct , but both occur at gun shows.
and it should be the same thing.

[YellowApple]

Yes. I played with my soon to be firearm while it was done over the phone with the seller.

which has what to do with the conversation?

He was talking about the background check which you implied didn't happen.

That's what it has to do with the conversation.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Yes. I played with my soon to be firearm while it was done over the phone with the seller.

which has what to do with the conversation?

......?

Really?

I almost don't know how to respond to this... stellar response.

Buying a gun from a dealer, is not the same as a law abiding citizen privately selling their firearm. I think you are getting the two mixed up here.

correct , but both occur at gun shows.
and it should be the same thing.

Should background checks also be conducted/required when someone want's to sell their vehicle to another? Or Knives?

[Sociobiology]

wrong
gun show buys are a great example.

If your selling a gun at a gunshow you still need to have a record of sale.

wrong, your state may require it, but federal law does not, despite attempts to change it.

[Zyx]

Gun Bans won't work for the same reasons drug & alcohol bans have not worked. Regulate them accordingly, but keep them legal, in order to ensure the responsible use of them, something that wouldn't be possible through the outright prohibition of them.

[Chernoslavia]

If your selling a gun at a gunshow you still need to have a record of sale.

wrong, your state may require it, but federal law does not, despite attempts to change it.

What state are you refering to?

[Sociobiology]

which has what to do with the conversation?

......?

Really?

I almost don't know how to respond to this... stellar response.

that as my fault I read that wrong

correct , but both occur at gun shows.
and it should be the same thing.

Should background checks also be conducted/required when someone want's to sell their vehicle to another? Or Knives?

we do do it for cars, those with certain disabilities cannot drive a car.
we don't do it for knives because 1. it would be impossible in practice, and 2. does not make a lot of sense.
firearms are the number one weapon used in homicides, rape, and armed robbery.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

[Paddy O Fernature]

If your selling a gun at a gunshow you still need to have a record of sale.

wrong, your state may require it, but federal law does not, despite attempts to change it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Hand ... _Law_today

[Sociobiology]

wrong, your state may require it, but federal law does not, despite attempts to change it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Hand ... _Law_today

you should read your own source, private sales are exempt.

[Paddy O Fernature]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Hand ... _Law_today

you should read your own source, private sales are exempt.

Quote me where I said private sales are not.

Can you at least try to stay on the same topic, when discussing/debating with others?

[Chernoslavia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Hand ... _Law_today

you should read your own source, private sales are exempt.

They still require a record of sale in gunshows, which you claimed was not true.

[Paddy O Fernature]

you should read your own source, private sales are exempt.

They still require a record of sale in gunshows, which you claimed was not true.

^This.

[Sociobiology]

you should read your own source, private sales are exempt.

They still require a record of sale in gunshows, which you claimed was not true.

really where does it say that?
I'll wait.
licences dealers at gunshows still have to do it, private sellers at gunshows do not.
you don't have to be a licences dealer to have a booth at a gunshow.

[Sociobiology]

you should read your own source, private sales are exempt.

They still require a record of sale in gunshows, which you claimed was not true.

unless you are a private seller at a gunshow, then you are exempt.
so no a record of sale is not required.

[Paddy O Fernature]

They still require a record of sale in gunshows, which you claimed was not true.

really where does it say that?
I'll wait.
licences dealers at gunshows still have to do it, private sellers at gunshows do not.
you don't have to be a licences dealer to have a booth at a gunshow.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/blgunshow.htm

All dealers must keep records of sales. Id quote it for you, but you really need to read and get educated on the topic abit.

[YellowApple]

They still require a record of sale in gunshows, which you claimed was not true.

unless you are a private seller at a gunshow, then you are exempt.
so no a record of sale is not required.

Wait, what? I think you're contradicting your own statements there.

[Republica Newland]

You would have to be monumentally dumb to rebel against the US in the first place.

The US would be monumentally dumb to make you actually want to rebel against it in the first place.