Gun Bans

[Farnhamia]

Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever.

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The fuck why does she have her finger on the trigger?

Whenever you guys are ready to talk about the real issue, which is how to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and angry teenagers, to mention just a few, let us know. In the meantime, have fun making fun of people actually trying to deal with the problem.

[Thafoo]

My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.

Considering that Belgium is the country with the highest Flemish population, this is no surprise. Countries with lower Flemish populations don't have the same problems.
You should replace the Flemish population with more law-abiding people, like German immigrants.

Hurr durr.

Win

[Farnhamia]

It is ridiculous pepper spray is banned in Belgium. It is also banned in PRC. Pepper spray and protect women from rape. It is a good self-defense weapon.

It is indeed ridiculous, i would even go as far as to say that it's an act of persecution against the physically weak.

The Belgian government is so full of irrational and/or amoral scum that it has gone so far as to want a ban on antique firearms (possibly including muzzle loaders) unless one has a "special" (read: virtually impossible to obtain) license.

Europeans are probably getting into the gangster rap of the USA and trying to think acting like a thug makes them a good person. It is sad so many people think the gang culture is cool.

I am against music censorship on principle (ex. slippery slope theory) but my heart wishes we could ban gangster rap and any songs that glorify rape and cop killing.

Sadly this is true, a lot of European youths, especially those living in the larger cities, are obsessed with "gangster rap" to the point they dress up like thugs (low hanging pants, baseball caps facing backwards, gold chains, etc...) and engage in criminal activity (mostly random beatings, robberies and vandalism) because they think it's "cool".


@ Everbeek:

- the massacre committed by Nordine Amrani.
- the school shooting committed by Kim De Gelder.
- the massacre of infants by a man who claimed to be "the joker" (from batman).
- the massacre of six children by their mother.
- the massacre of an entire family by an "unknown assailant".

and that's just the one's i have heard of.

On-line sources, please? And I'm not sure children being killed by a parent is solvable by "self-defense."

[Dyakovo]

The fuck why does she have her finger on the trigger?

Whenever you guys are ready to talk about the real issue, which is how to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and angry teenagers, to mention just a few, let us know. In the meantime, have fun making fun of people actually trying to deal with the problem.

Banning weapons because of what they look like isn't "actually trying to deal with the problem."

[Risottia]

On-line sources, please? And I'm not sure children being killed by a parent is solvable by "self-defense."

Well, unless you give every single kid ballistic armour and a gun.

[Farnhamia]

On-line sources, please? And I'm not sure children being killed by a parent is solvable by "self-defense."

Well, unless you give every single kid ballistic armour and a gun.

There is that, yes.

[Risottia]

Well, unless you give every single kid ballistic armour and a gun.

There is that, yes.

Belgium 2014: Unreal Arena For Realz.

[Farnhamia]

Whenever you guys are ready to talk about the real issue, which is how to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and angry teenagers, to mention just a few, let us know. In the meantime, have fun making fun of people actually trying to deal with the problem.

Banning weapons because of what they look like isn't "actually trying to deal with the problem."

Neither is quibbling over definitions and saying things like "Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever."

[Tagmatium]

Eh, didn't know that the UK was "worse than South Africa".

But I suppose I've been affected by "Public school brainwashing/Fluoride/Pharmaceutical drugs/State run media fear campaigns".

[Farnhamia]

Eh, didn't know that the UK was "worse than South Africa".

But I suppose I've been affected by "Public school brainwashing/Fluoride/Pharmaceutical drugs/State run media fear campaigns".

We've known that about you for years.

[Tagmatium]

Eh, didn't know that the UK was "worse than South Africa".

But I suppose I've been affected by "Public school brainwashing/Fluoride/Pharmaceutical drugs/State run media fear campaigns".

We've known that about you for years.

Since we don't have fluoridated water over here, it's because of toothpaste.

[Kouralia]

Banning weapons because of what they look like isn't "actually trying to deal with the problem."

Neither is quibbling over definitions and saying things like "Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever."

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Just because nuclear disarmament protesters don't know the intricacies of nuclear launch protocols doesn't mean they can't argue for their point. Also, if she should 'have her right to be able to propose such legislation' taken away, then that means that you fully admit that any argument RE: the US constitution is entirely irrelevant, since you think the first amendment is so irrelevant to her.

[Risottia]

Eh, didn't know that the UK was "worse than South Africa".

Well, the industrial outskirts of Leeds sure are worse than downtown Capetown.

Since we don't have fluoridated water over here, it's because of toothpaste.

Have you noticed how all toothpaste producers are Jews from the Flemish part of Belgium, and all sit in the Bilderberg?

[Farnhamia]

We've known that about you for years.

Since we don't have fluoridated water over here, it's because of toothpaste.

Or the fear campaigns. With so many options to choose from, it's difficult to tell. Doesn't matter. You seem to be a nice person, no more pompous than most of us. Come in, sit down, have a drink.

[Ashmoria]

My country, Belgium, has some of the strictest arms control laws in the world (even pepper spray is illegal) and has seen five mass killings over the last four years, four of which targeted young children and one of which resulted in over 125 casualties.
This country is so dangerous that i have been robbed three times in broad daylight (once at knife point), i have seen a youth gang vandalize a truck with metal pipes while they hurled abuse at the terrified driver, i have witnessed two armed robberies, i have heard of 3 home invasions taking place in my street over the last year and i have been threatened in public on countless occasions, all in what is supposedly a "safe" part of the country.

Upon conducting some research i discovered that Europe is much worse off than the united states in terms of violent crime, in fact two European nations (the UK and Austria) are so bad that they are worse off than South Africa.
After a brief comparison it becomes obvious that European countries which have virtually banned self-defense such as Belgium, the Netherlands and the UK have extremely high crime rates while the countries which allow individuals to carry weapons (i.e pepper spray) for self defense in addition to having more relaxed gun laws such as Switzerland, Hungary and the Czech republic have very low crime rates.
The same situation can be found in Asia, where we can see that middle-eastern countries with very lax gun laws such as Saudi Arabia have very low crime rates, while other Asian countries with strict gun control such as the PRC have very high crime (and suicide) rates.
Ditto for America, where we can see that the USA with it's lax gun control has a much lower crime rate than the Latin American nations with strict gun control.


The only logical conclusion is that legalizing armed self-defense (not necessarily with firearms, but at the very least with less-lethal weapons such as pepper spray) will lower violent crime rates significantly.


Americans: please don't give up your guns, otherwise you will end up like us; having to fight for the right to defend yourselves against junkies and sadists with pepper spray.

it sounds like you have a police problem. the public should not have to walk around with guns strapped to their hips in order to keep from being attacked in the streets. the police should be working harder to keep your streets safer.

in your home you should be able to keep small-time weapons in order to defend yourself before the police arrive.

[Albion Rhodesia]

The fuck why does she have her finger on the trigger?

Whenever you guys are ready to talk about the real issue, which is how to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and angry teenagers, to mention just a few, let us know. In the meantime, have fun making fun of people actually trying to deal with the problem.

It's very hard if nearly impossible to have a sensible debate with someone who doesn't know the details about what they are trying to restrict/control. It would be on the same level, of having an individual who has never owned an automobile in his life, or ever driven one, but wants to place serious restrictions on them.

To be taken seriously on an issue, you must actually have experience in field. If the Senator had come from any career oriented background where firearms are commonly used, then she might actually be able to add some weight to her debate, however due to the fact that she has limited to no knowledge on the subject, she should not be taken seriously.

[Risottia]

it sounds like you have a police problem.

Ofc. Since the Schengen Agreement, their police officers are too busy being pals with those no-good frogs, you know.

[Tagmatium]

Since we don't have fluoridated water over here, it's because of toothpaste.

Or the fear campaigns. With so many options to choose from, it's difficult to tell. Doesn't matter. You seem to be a nice person, no more pompous than most of us. Come in, sit down, have a drink.

Hurrah!

People are talking to me!

[Nua Corda]

Banning weapons because of what they look like isn't "actually trying to deal with the problem."

Neither is quibbling over definitions and saying things like "Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever."

I'd actually say that's a valid point. Would you put a well-known Creationist in charge of a committee on Science? Would you put someone who's never seen a car on the Transportation Committee? No, obviously, because they have no idea what they would be trying to regulate. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; Sen. Fienstien's heart is in the right place, but she just does not have the knowledge and skills necessary to write legislation on this issue. Her proposal does nothing to stop the violence, and only harms legitimate gun owners and sportsmen. It is, quite simply, a bad bill. One in a series of bad bills proposed by her. Obviously, she does not know how to write proper gun control legislation, because she does not understand how guns work. I'm not proposing to strip away her right to propose such legislation, just defending the argument that her lack of knowledge is a legitimate point when opposing her legislation.

Neither is quibbling over definitions and saying things like "Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever."

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Just because nuclear disarmament protesters don't know the intricacies of nuclear launch protocols doesn't mean they can't argue for their point. Also, if she should 'have her right to be able to propose such legislation' taken away, then that means that you fully admit that any argument RE: the US constitution is entirely irrelevant, since you think the first amendment is so irrelevant to her.

I think you've misread that a bit. Try again, and look for the somewhat snide part in quotation marks.

[Ashmoria]

it sounds like you have a police problem.

Ofc. Since the Schengen Agreement, their police officers are too busy being pals with those no-good frogs, you know.

ohhhh i didnt realize. ...if the no-good frogs start doing a better job will that help?

[Kouralia]

Neither is quibbling over definitions and saying things like "Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever."

^

Just because nuclear disarmament protesters don't know the intricacies of nuclear launch protocols doesn't mean they can't argue for their point. Also, if she should 'have her right to be able to propose such legislation' taken away, then that means that you fully admit that any argument RE: the US constitution is entirely irrelevant, since you think the first amendment is so irrelevant to her.

I think you've misread that a bit. Try again, and look for the somewhat snide part in quotation marks.

Found it!

Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever.

[Dyakovo]

Banning weapons because of what they look like isn't "actually trying to deal with the problem."

Neither is quibbling over definitions and saying things like "Considering that every interview or press release that the Senator gives, she's either holding a firearm improperly/dangerously, I believe that her right to even be able to propose such legislation should be stripped away, as she has no concept of firearms whatsoever."

A suggestion has been made in this thread that would address the issue, unlike Feinstein's proposal of banning guns that look scary.

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Perhaps I was less than clear. I meant that the license covered any single purchase of a firearm and that there be no restriction on the number of firearms any one licensee may own.

How can you assume that anyone is a criminal before any criminal act was committed? Innocent until proven guilty, remember?

You would be wrong about me being a criminal.

I'd prefer since there is a competence factor in there for it to be, say, 1 license for rifles, another for handguns...

And one for shotguns(?), plus the multiple endorsements on one license, similar to the way we do drivers licenses.

[Risottia]

ohhhh i didnt realize. ...if the no-good frogs start doing a better job will that help?

Nah, the baguette-lovers are just marginally better than, let's say, an Italian-Jewish immigrant who's also a commie and married to a Flemish Muslim.

Yup.

[Greed and Death]

The fuck why does she have her finger on the trigger?

Whenever you guys are ready to talk about the real issue, which is how to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and angry teenagers, to mention just a few, let us know. In the meantime, have fun making fun of people actually trying to deal with the problem.

Background check+ the executive order/action making cross reference by the various departments easier has resolved any issues in point of sale background checks.

The thing is there is a bill proposed by Feinstein to ban assualt weapons. So arguing against that bill is valid, you don't like it call your senator and tell her to get feinstein to withdraw her bill.

[Everbeek]

ohhhh i didnt realize. ...if the no-good frogs start doing a better job will that help?

Nah, the baguette-lovers are just marginally better than, let's say, an Italian-Jewish immigrant who's also a commie and married to a Flemish Muslim.

Yup.

Where does Bunga Bunga come into all of this?