Utah Sheriffs warn Obama

[Farnhamia]

Are you seriously trying to argue that a non felon has the right to own a Fighting Falcon? Come the fuck on.

As the second was written, yes.

Not according to the majority in District of Columbia v. Heller.

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

[Bug Out]

As the second was written, yes.

Not according to the majority in Dsitrict of Columbia v. Heller.

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

Then why can I buy one if I have the change? As of now, I can legally buy a tank, or a fighter jet if I have the money.

[Farnhamia]

Not according to the majority in Dsitrict of Columbia v. Heller.

Then why can I buy one if I have the change? As of now, I can legally buy a tank, or a fighter jet if I have the money.

I bet you can't buy one with active weaponry. Where can you buy such things?

[Neo Art]

Then why can I buy one if I have the change? As of now, I can legally buy a tank, or a fighter jet if I have the money.

intellectual dishonesty is reprehensible. This is a conversation about weapons, you can not buy an armed plane or tank.

[Bug Out]

Then why can I buy one if I have the change? As of now, I can legally buy a tank, or a fighter jet if I have the money.

intellectual dishonesty is reprehensible. This is a conversation about weapons, you can not buy an armed plane or tank.

Don't call me a liar if you don't do a simple search first

http://www.bessed.com/armytanksforsale/

http://www.angelfire.com/hero/cade/company.html

[Neo Art]

intellectual dishonesty is reprehensible. This is a conversation about weapons, you can not buy an armed plane or tank.

Don't call me a liar if you don't do a simple search first

http://www.bessed.com/armytanksforsale/

http://www.angelfire.com/hero/cade/company.html

Holy fuck, angelfire? Jesus christ, they're still around? It's like 1997

[Farnhamia]

intellectual dishonesty is reprehensible. This is a conversation about weapons, you can not buy an armed plane or tank.

Don't call me a liar if you don't do a simple search first

http://www.bessed.com/armytanksforsale/

http://www.angelfire.com/hero/cade/company.html

From the angelfire page: "The retail price for an M1A1 is approximately $4.3M, but they aren't exactly available to the public. If you act now, you can have the chance to bid on this incredible piece of machinary in a once in a lifetime opportunity. Bidding will begin on January 1, 2005 at 12 noon approximately 50 miles soutb-southwest of Algiers, Algeria. Bidders must be present, meaning in person. Bidding will begin at $2.5M, but is expected to run much higher. Ammunition and the tank's crew is not included, but we will provide free transportation for the tank's lucky winner and this 65 ton beast." Right, good luck bringing an armed M1A1 into the US.

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Don't call me a liar if you don't do a simple search first

http://www.bessed.com/armytanksforsale/

http://www.angelfire.com/hero/cade/company.html

Holy fuck, angelfire? Jesus christ, they're still around? It's like 1997

We can bid on them on the government websites too, as they auction some off. They are not usually new models but working tanks nevertheless.

[Farnhamia]

Holy fuck, angelfire? Jesus christ, they're still around? It's like 1997

We can bid on them on the government websites too, as they auction some off. They are not usually new models but working tanks nevertheless.

Not with guns, you can't.

[Wisconsin9]

We can bid on them on the government websites too, as they auction some off. They are not usually new models but working tanks nevertheless.

Not with guns, you can't.

A 65 ton mobile armored war machine doesn't exactly need a gun to kill you, though.

[Bug Out]

We can bid on them on the government websites too, as they auction some off. They are not usually new models but working tanks nevertheless.

Not with guns, you can't.

Yes, you can. The ammo is the restricted part. You can still get it if you pass the background and pay the tax along with the price tag.

[Farnhamia]

Not with guns, you can't.

A 65 ton mobile armored war machine doesn't exactly need a gun to kill you, though.

No, but the point of this little sequence was someone's declaration that as long as you weren't a felon, you could buy whatever weapons you want, tanks, jet fighters, etc.

[Farnhamia]

Not with guns, you can't.

Yes, you can. The ammo is the restricted part. You can still get it if you pass the background and pay the tax along with the price tag.

Show me.

[Bug Out]

A 65 ton mobile armored war machine doesn't exactly need a gun to kill you, though.

No, but the point of this little sequence was someone's declaration that as long as you weren't a felon, you could buy whatever weapons you want, tanks, jet fighters, etc.

And did I not link to a tank for sale?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm

[Farnhamia]

No, but the point of this little sequence was someone's declaration that as long as you weren't a felon, you could buy whatever weapons you want, tanks, jet fighters, etc.

And did I not link to a tank for sale?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm

The only guns I saw referenced on those pages were dummies or replicas. Show me one that says it has fully-functional weaponry, all you have to do is acquire the ammo and you're good to go defending yourself against the oppression to come. Some don't mention weapons but I would be very surprised if you can buy any such thing.

[Dyakovo]

Are you seriously trying to argue that a non felon has the right to own a Fighting Falcon? Come the fuck on.

As the second was written, yes.

lol, no.
Even at the time it was written it was understood that it was granting/acknowledging the right to own firearms.

[Bug Out]

And did I not link to a tank for sale?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm

The only guns I saw referenced on those pages were dummies or replicas. Show me one that says it has fully-functional weaponry, all you have to do is acquire the ammo and you're good to go defending yourself against the oppression to come. Some don't mention weapons but I would be very surprised if you can buy any such thing.

This M-24 Chaffee as the photos show has been beautifully refurbished on the exterior. The interior is un-restored but In excellent original condition. It runs and everything functions.

Price: $295,000.00 SOLD

[Farnhamia]

The only guns I saw referenced on those pages were dummies or replicas. Show me one that says it has fully-functional weaponry, all you have to do is acquire the ammo and you're good to go defending yourself against the oppression to come. Some don't mention weapons but I would be very surprised if you can buy any such thing.

This M-24 Chaffee as the photos show has been beautifully refurbished on the exterior. The interior is un-restored but In excellent original condition. It runs and everything functions.

Price: $295,000.00 SOLD

Maybe. I have my doubts about what "Everything functions" means. There was the German WWII 37 MM Anti Tank Gun that says the same thing, but again, let the buyer beware.

Regardless, the Supreme Court said in DC v. Heller that your Second Amendment rights do not including owning any weapon whatsoever for any reason whatsoever or to take it anywhere you want. I should ask you to cite the relevant laws that allow the possession of a "fully functional" armored fighting vehicle.

[Bug Out]

This M-24 Chaffee as the photos show has been beautifully refurbished on the exterior. The interior is un-restored but In excellent original condition. It runs and everything functions.

Price: $295,000.00 SOLD

Maybe. I have my doubts about what "Everything functions" means. There was the German WWII 37 MM Anti Tank Gun that says the same thing, but again, let the buyer beware.

Regardless, the Supreme Court said in DC v. Heller that your Second Amendment rights do not including owning any weapon whatsoever for any reason whatsoever or to take it anywhere you want. I should ask you to cite the relevant laws that allow the possession of a "fully functional" armored fighting vehicle.

There are no laws against it, so there doesn't need to be a law allowing it. Most things in life do not have laws that allow you to do/own things. We have laws to prevent, not to allow.

[Farnhamia]

Maybe. I have my doubts about what "Everything functions" means. There was the German WWII 37 MM Anti Tank Gun that says the same thing, but again, let the buyer beware.

Regardless, the Supreme Court said in DC v. Heller that your Second Amendment rights do not including owning any weapon whatsoever for any reason whatsoever or to take it anywhere you want. I should ask you to cite the relevant laws that allow the possession of a "fully functional" armored fighting vehicle.

There are no laws against it, so there doesn't need to be a law allowing it. Most things in life do not have laws that allow you to do/own things. We have laws to prevent, not to allow.

Well, that's as may be. I'm still dubious. I may do some checking on my own.

[Republica Newland]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Again, you'd still have the right to bear arms, just not all of them. Just like you don't have the right to own the cannon on an F-16.

And for the record, if the Supreme Court rules something to be constitutional then it is, regardless of what you or anyone else may say.

Oh,but of course,when it comes to SCOTUS' ruling that the Constitution protects the individual right to own and bear arms,then it's not OK because it conflicts with their world view,so they say that the justices were Conservative or give them some other bull. Hypocrisy much?

[Farnhamia]

Again, you'd still have the right to bear arms, just not all of them. Just like you don't have the right to own the cannon on an F-16.

And for the record, if the Supreme Court rules something to be constitutional then it is, regardless of what you or anyone else may say.

Oh,but of course,when it comes to SCOTUS' ruling that the Constitution protects the individual right to own and bear arms,then it's not OK because it conflicts with their world view,so they say that the justices were Conservative or give them some other bull. Hypocrisy much?

The Court also said in their ruling that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, that you do not have the right "to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

[Republica Newland]

Words mean what they say, and the second amendment clearly gives me to right to bear even nuclear arms if I'm capable of doing so.

The second amendment does not give you the right to whatever weapon suits your fancy. I am a gun advocate, but there's a difference between sport and just flat out unreasonable. Because what in the SAM HELL are you going to do with a nuclear weapon? Blow up the moon? Shoot down an alien spaceship? Make horrible love to it? I challenge you to provide a reason of why you'd need an IBCM or any form of Nuclear Missile.

I'm fucking tired with this stupid argument.

Taking the Constitution as it is,yes,banning any sort of weapon is indeed infringing.

Now,do you see us pushing for ICBM rights or gun rights? Thought so.

[Chernoslavia]

Yes, he really does....provided he isnt a felon.

Are you seriously trying to argue that a non felon has the right to own a Fighting Falcon? Come the fuck on.

Before opening your mouth, please read the current laws and regulation on owning these kinds of vehicles.

[Neo Art]

Are you seriously trying to argue that a non felon has the right to own a Fighting Falcon? Come the fuck on.

Before opening your mouth, please read the current laws and regulation on owning these kinds of vehicles.

Wait, you too?

Remember, this is about gun ownership. Whether I can own a stripped down shell of a fighter jet to proudly keep on my front lawn is irrelevant. Are you seriously, really, honestly trying to tell me that it's perfectly legal for a private citizen to own and operate an operational and armed strike fighter?

Is this really, truly, the proposition you're trying to sell me on? Do you think I'm that fucking stupid?

Or are you just incapable of remaining on topic?

Pathetic.