Is God a malevolent being?

[Ereria]

I really want to put this in here: People have choises in their life. I think most people here expect god to do something for us so we can pray for him. Thats understandable, but you forget that the universe we live in, are thanks to him. I think he just created us. Now we have to control our lives our selves, not him guarding us. He isn't responsible for the evil, we are that dosn't do anything about it. 9/11 would not have happened if Afghanistan had educated people, but why don't they? Because they were robbed from their richness by us europeans. Hitler could have been put down by the mass in the beginning. Why did the German people let it happen? Most of them didn't know surely, but the soldiers working there did. Why didn't they do anything? Because they feared Hitler. Its up to us to right the wrongs on the world.

Maybe if we paid like 30% of the income of football players for example to African countires, maybe that would have helped? I think the only thing that is evil on this world is laziness, fear and selfishness. There is Criminals, but they would not have been criminals if they had been given the food or whatever they needed in first place.

But yea, everyone got their own views. Im a muslim by the way so there is no need to send me biblical text because I have no idea if they are true or what not.

[Napkiraly]

Perhaps God is more akin to the Great Old Ones or the Outer Gods. It simply doesn't give a fuck.

The Bible claims otherwise.

But you get multiple versions of God depending on what you read (the Torah, Bible, or Koran). Plus if God was real, it probably would be more akin to the Great Old One's or the Outer Gods. Creator of the universe and all it cares about is one tiny rock and the inhabitants of it?

[Condunum]

So God creating us in his image is literal in your case.

More or less. Just don't get him started on that jesus dude. Turns out he thinks the idea of Jewish carpenter is as laughable as I do.

I thought Jesus regularly got blazed with Michael...

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Ponies.

You're looking for Arts and Fiction; it's the first forum on the left of this one.

He was probably responding to the highly popular option on the poll. *nods*

[Blazedtown]

God should be executed for crimes against humanity.

You'll like the Salvation War then.

http://www.tboverse.us/HPCAFORUM/phpBB3 ... m.php?f=29

[Big Jim P]

Now now...no reason to feel bad about that.

But watch your tongue on this thread. Don't forget I have friends in the Opus Dei who would love to have a godless sodomite such as yourself join their ranks.

Sodomy is my middle name.

Some gods are, some aren't, all are fictional until proven otherwise.

Satan is real, though. We've both met him, so our word is as good as any.

But is that proof?

[Yankee Empire]

What Arrogance! Who cares what your Morals Standards are in comparison to God?

His moral standards are considerably higher than God's, as he has never committed genocide or murdered men, women and children.

Circular argument, "H e can judge god because his standars are higher than Gods...according to me some guy.

Also if we were to say your statment was true, (the act of committing Genocide anyway) thi means nothing for God gives live and in Death gives the Afterlife, what hasdone with his people that is callous in anything other than the ignorant view of an unifromed arrogant onlooker?

So much is implied in this line of thinking it just makes me laugh, I mean if I cane see the obviously holes in it

You might want to point them out, then, because all that you've put up so far has been more full of holes than a piece of Leerdammer at a firing range.

I already did, the flaw in the argument is either a misinterpretation of God, or claiming to have better insight than an omnipotent being which is impossible.

It's just mental masturbation for anti-theist "moralists", so they can pat themselves on the back over how they don't need Religion or God to be good

makes you think it's some how fullproof against all Wisdom.

Source that God is all-wise.
Source that God never makes mistakes.

You Source it. In the Idea of God in which your speaking these are intrinsic traits.

[Liberated Counties]

At the end of the day we are all bound by our beliefs

Some of us believe in an Abhramic God, as told by in the books

Some of us believe that science has the answer to everything, as told by sciences in a real laboratory doing real experiments.

Some may believe the two may be intermixed

Just deal with it Instead of arguing.

[Condunum]

To be fair, Hell, at least the Christian one, is actually just eternal darkness and perfect suffering.

...

I'm not sure how that would make it any better.

Because that made Crona from Soul Eater turn out so well.

Eternal suffering will do that to you...

Although to be honest, I wouldn't mind the side effect of ambiguous gender.

[New Bierstaat]

"God is a mean little kid with a magnifying glass, and I'm the ant!"

[Blazedtown]

More or less. Just don't get him started on that jesus dude. Turns out he thinks the idea of Jewish carpenter is as laughable as I do.

I thought Jesus regularly got blazed with Michael...

Who do you think Michael calls when he runs out?

[Stelarus]

I never liked the idea of the christian god that much growing up, God just seemed like peoples excuse for doing and saying whatever they thought was right, and saying that other peoples ideas or ways of living were wrong; and it's a crummy excuse. It's not that the concept of powers greater or higher than ourselves is wrong or evil somehow, just people use it only to get what they want convincing themselves that the universe wills it. I think we can do better than that.
that's my two cents on this issue, never was much one for theological opinion debate really. excited to see what other people have to say here though.

[Condunum]

Sodomy is my middle name.


Satan is real, though. We've both met him, so our word is as good as any.

But is that proof?

It's good enough for me. Anyone who owes me a section of hell for a lost poker match is real to me.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

The Bible claims otherwise.


*takes a bow*

Thank you.

Oh so you get praise, and all I got was a bunch of grumpy theists saying "you can't judge god" and atheists going "meh, no point."

I see how it is, NSG. I see how it is.

You need to threaten them with divine retribution if they don't praise you. *nods*

[Alancar]

I liked Battlestar Galactica take on God: God isn't on anyone's side. He is neither good nor evil, he simply is a force of nature.

Of course that definition very much conflicts with the classical vision of god espoused by major religions. That being said if god was real it would make sense for people to believe he was intrinsically good and on their side.

Perhaps, but people would be more likely to follow him because of fear (of the consequences should they not follow him) rather than genuine love.

The thing about that God, is that he didn't seem to want to be loved, though some might love him (or at least love what they believe god is). For that matter he didn't seem to want to be worshipped or followed or anything like that. He had a plan, and he manipulated events using several of his agents in order to follow though with it.

Ultimately it wasn't really about whether or not people wanted to follow him, or believe in him, it was about whether or not people had the strength to go where they were meant to be.

[Condunum]

I thought Jesus regularly got blazed with Michael...

Who do you think Michael calls when he runs out?

Well, he DOES have the ability to multiply food he touches. I think he could do that with herb...

[Yankee Empire]

You're looking for Arts and Fiction; it's the first forum on the left of this one.

He was probably responding to the highly popular option on the poll. *nods*

A Testament to the credibility of this entire conversation.

I'm done wasting my time here. Op's not interested in a reasonable discourse just mental masturbation.

The again I as sure of that befoe I posted just want reveal the hollowness of the "ideological stance".

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

What Arrogance! Who cares what your Morals Standards are in comparison to God?

His moral standards are considerably higher than God's, as he has never committed genocide or murdered men, women and children.

Circular argument, "He can judge god because his standards are higher than Gods...according to me some guy."

Except it's not at all circular, because pointing out that God has committed genocide (according to the Bible) and Knox has not leads you to the bloody obvious conclusion that Knox has higher moral standards than God.

Also if we were to say your statment was true, (the act of committing Genocide anyway) this means nothing for God gives live and in Death gives the Afterlife, what has he done with his people that is callous in anything other than the ignorant view of an unifromed arrogant onlooker?

If God exists, He let the Holocaust happen to His chosen people.

I don't think I need to say more than that.

I already did, the flaw in the argument is either a misinterpretation of God, or claiming to have better insight than an omnipotent being which is impossible.

It's not impossible to have greater insight than an omnipotent being; omnipotence doesn't prevent rashness or twattery, both of which are spread liberally throughout accounts of God's actions in the OT.

It's just mental masturbation for anti-theist "moralists", so they can pat themselves on the back over how they don't need Religion or God to be good

Was that meant to be a point or just a cheap ad hominem?

makes you think it's some how fullproof against all Wisdom.

Source that God is all-wise.
Source that God never makes mistakes.

You Source it. In the Idea of God in which your speaking these are intrinsic traits.[/quote]

It's called the burden of proof, matey. You claimed that God is all wise, so back it up.

[Big Jim P]

But is that proof?

It's good enough for me. Anyone who owes me a section of hell for a lost poker match is real to me.

Good point.

[Liberated Counties]

Who do you think Michael calls when he runs out?

Well, he DOES have the ability to multiply food he touches. I think he could do that with herb...

I thought Christians didn't believe that story to be taken literally
You must be a creationist

[Cetacea]

Because when my father wanted to discipline me, he drowned me in a lake.

Or flattened my town then murdered everyone I knew before taking my daughters as sex-slaves for his mercenaries.

I'm assuming you being a naughty boy didn't involve vile and irredeemable wickedness (ergo a dead lamb would have been sufficient recompense)

and just because your father isn't the President doesn't rule out flattening whole towns, go visit Palestine or Afghanistan and such...

[Costa Mayo]

Since when was this website called: www.atheism.org?

[Big Jim P]

He was probably responding to the highly popular option on the poll. *nods*

A Testament to the credibility of this entire conversation.

I'm done wasting my time here. Op's not interested in a reasonable discourse just mental masturbation.

The again I as sure of that befoe I posted just want reveal the hollowness of the "ideological stance".

The conversation lost it's credibility when god was mentioned.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

He was probably responding to the highly popular option on the poll. *nods*

A Testament to the credibility of this entire conversation.

I'm done wasting my time here. Op's not interested in a reasonable discourse just mental masturbation.

The again I as sure of that befoe I posted just want reveal the hollowness of the "ideological stance".

I was interested in reasonable discourse, until you told me to go and burn myself on a fir tree.

That's just rude, man, that's just rude.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Or flattened my town then murdered everyone I knew before taking my daughters as sex-slaves for his mercenaries.

I'm assuming you being a naughty boy didn't involve vile and irredeemable wickedness (ergo a dead lamb would have been sufficient recompense)

What "vile and irredeemable wickedness" is this?

What did the children whom Joshua et al. killed do that was "violently and irredeemably wicked"?

and just because your father isn't the President doesn't rule out flattening whole towns, go visit Palestine or Afghanistan and such...

How charmingly irrelevant.