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Is God Malevolent?

Yes, he is responsible for the deaths of millions and the creation of death.
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29%
To some extent, he is partially good as well.
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10%
No, God is our all-loving creator and should be worshipped with all of our hearts.
107
25%
Ponies.
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26%
Why do we let these goddamn liberals on this forum anyway? Let's show them what we do to godless liberal-socialist-commies in 'murrica!
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11%
 
Total votes : 434

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Grimlundt
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Postby Grimlundt » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:11 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:01 pm

Grimlundt wrote:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=449881158406267&set=a.352867368107647.80532.352857924775258&type=1&theater
:eek:
oops wrong link
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... -HQxKHROPg
ow!
:palm:

wat
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:18 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Grimlundt wrote:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=449881158406267&set=a.352867368107647.80532.352857924775258&type=1&theater
:eek:
oops wrong link
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... -HQxKHROPg
ow!
:palm:

wat

It looks like it's the smallest possible resolution of an image from wikipedia.
It's not from wikipedia, though, so it looks like someone might have taken a blank map from there, coloured some parts in and put a legend on it.
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Postby Sulamalik » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:21 pm

Amerandski wrote:
Condunum wrote:
And views like this are why we can't have nice things.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
Although non-specific concepts of madness have been around for several thousand years, the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his 1913 book General Psychopathology.[2] These criteria are:

certainty (held with absolute conviction)
incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)[3]
Furthermore, when a false belief involves a value judgment, it is only considered as a delusion if it is so extreme that it cannot be or ever can be proven true (example: a man claims that he flew into the sun and flew back home. This would be considered a delusion

I accept this definition. "God" tells you things with no voice, and you "pray" back to him. If I were too claim I believed in Bigfoots or Aliens, people would say i'n delusional. I say the same standard applies, except religion is like a contagion, with thousands and millions of people reinforcing the delusion. I defy you to do ONE MIRACLE . Bring someone who has been dead for three days back to life. Heal an AIDS patient by laying of hands, and have a doctor check him out. Short of that, your in the same categore as people that beleive in the Loch Noss Monster, or that watch Ancient Aliens on the History planet. You are suffering from a mental illness and as the definition says, it's incorrigble i.e "not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary. I am willing to believe in Gid, and God, that can do ONE MIRACLE. Are you willing to admit your madness and give up your belief on God if He dosen't perform a miracle? Shit talks and bullshit walks. I doubt your willing to change your beleif in God, even if I was to prove that God can't do miracles and it's nothing more than a form of madness you have. Put up or shut up.


If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't call you delusional if you believed in aliens.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:23 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:wat

It looks like it's the smallest possible resolution of an image from wikipedia.
It's not from wikipedia, though, so it looks like someone might have taken a blank map from there, coloured some parts in and put a legend on it.

Isn't that how you would make a map like that?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:24 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:wat

It looks like it's the smallest possible resolution of an image from wikipedia.
It's not from wikipedia, though, so it looks like someone might have taken a blank map from there, coloured some parts in and put a legend on it.

If Facebook link to moving rocks + low res map of countries in which atheists are persecuted = winning argument, then I guess I better quit this debate game while before someone posts some particularly large pieces of mobile amethyst.
Last edited by Gilgamesh on Mon Aru 17, 2467 BC 10:56am, edited 1 time in total.
Call me Knox.
Biblical Authorship
God is Malevolent.
Bible Inaccuracies
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
Impeach Enlil, legalise dreaming, mortality is theft. GILGAMESH 2474 BC

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:26 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:It looks like it's the smallest possible resolution of an image from wikipedia.
It's not from wikipedia, though, so it looks like someone might have taken a blank map from there, coloured some parts in and put a legend on it.

If Facebook link to moving rocks + low res map of countries in which atheists are persecuted = winning argument, then I guess I better quit this debate game while before someone posts some particularly large pieces of mobile amethyst.

The Racetrack Playa is pretty cool. Very, very slow, of course, but cool.
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And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
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<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:It looks like it's the smallest possible resolution of an image from wikipedia.
It's not from wikipedia, though, so it looks like someone might have taken a blank map from there, coloured some parts in and put a legend on it.

Isn't that how you would make a map like that?

But the maps on wikipedia don't usually have legends on the maps themselves, and a reverse image search showed that it wasn't from wikipedia.
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Postby Amerandski » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:04 am

Sulamalik wrote:
Amerandski wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
Although non-specific concepts of madness have been around for several thousand years, the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his 1913 book General Psychopathology.[2] These criteria are:

certainty (held with absolute conviction)
incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)[3]
Furthermore, when a false belief involves a value judgment, it is only considered as a delusion if it is so extreme that it cannot be or ever can be proven true (example: a man claims that he flew into the sun and flew back home. This would be considered a delusion

I accept this definition. "God" tells you things with no voice, and you "pray" back to him. If I were too claim I believed in Bigfoots or Aliens, people would say i'n delusional. I say the same standard applies, except religion is like a contagion, with thousands and millions of people reinforcing the delusion. I defy you to do ONE MIRACLE . Bring someone who has been dead for three days back to life. Heal an AIDS patient by laying of hands, and have a doctor check him out. Short of that, your in the same categore as people that beleive in the Loch Noss Monster, or that watch Ancient Aliens on the History planet. You are suffering from a mental illness and as the definition says, it's incorrigble i.e "not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary. I am willing to believe in Gid, and God, that can do ONE MIRACLE. Are you willing to admit your madness and give up your belief on God if He dosen't perform a miracle? Shit talks and bullshit walks. I doubt your willing to change your beleif in God, even if I was to prove that God can't do miracles and it's nothing more than a form of madness you have. Put up or shut up.


If it makes you feel better, I wouldn't call you delusional if you believed in aliens.



Put up or shut up. Either your God can do a miracle, or he can't. And if he can't , then he might as well not exist. So heres what I propose; I would confess it's a miracle if you could lay on hands or whatever, a quadriplegic and heal him. That means, he gets up and walks around. So, can you do it? Or are you going to admit it's a delusion, and you suffer from a mental illness? Do ir and prove that your God exists. Or admit that it is a delusion or a fairytale
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Postby Faolinn » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:36 am

Can you think of a species more deserving of anguish?

Do your parents do everything for you?
Would you like it someone dictated absolutely everything you did?
How about supposed mortal "perfection" that is stillness which leads to stagnation?
God is not malevolent.It merely chooses to let us follow our own will because it is wrong to oppress us, and if that means destroying ourselves, tough luck, it means we did something to deserve it.
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I disagree with but have some respect for: Secular Humanism, Agnosticism

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:47 am

Faolinn wrote:Can you think of a species more deserving of anguish?

Do your parents do everything for you?
Would you like it someone dictated absolutely everything you did?
How about supposed mortal "perfection" that is stillness which leads to stagnation?
God is not malevolent.It merely chooses to let us follow our own will because it is wrong to oppress us, and if that means destroying ourselves, tough luck, it means we did something to deserve it.

You're telling me if you walk into a busy street, your parents wouldn't try to help you because "you deserve it, fucker!"

What great, benevolent parents you have.
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Postby Tel » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:49 am

God has a sense of humor, despite all else that might be true about it. It invented irony, after all.

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Postby The Franko-Gothic Empire » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:50 am

God doesn't exist............
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Postby Faolinn » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:58 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Faolinn wrote:Can you think of a species more deserving of anguish?

Do your parents do everything for you?
Would you like it someone dictated absolutely everything you did?
How about supposed mortal "perfection" that is stillness which leads to stagnation?
God is not malevolent.It merely chooses to let us follow our own will because it is wrong to oppress us, and if that means destroying ourselves, tough luck, it means we did something to deserve it.

You're telling me if you walk into a busy street, your parents wouldn't try to help you because "you deserve it, fucker!"

What great, benevolent parents you have.

You fail so terrifyingly, disturbingly, miserably to understand.Your madness saddens me.But of course, you only like to see things on their skin.free will without being willing to face the consequences of all your actions whatever they may be is cowardice. One should try to help another because it prevents the consequence that perpetuates wickedness.Humans have their own personal divine capabilities, therefore, to so totally intrude on our lives would go against the perfect nature of God.
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I oppose: Fascism, Objectivism, Determinism, Nihlism, Evangelism, Anarcho Capitalism, Atheism (militant), Conservatism, Monarchy, Totalitarianism,Might = Right, Timocracy, Plutocracy, Oligarchy, Materialism, Creationism, Transhumanism, Legalism, Nationalism, Imperialsm, Racism

I disagree with but have some respect for: Secular Humanism, Agnosticism

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Postby Neo Arcad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:59 am

I was going to vote on that poll but I accidentally poni ponied the poni poni.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:59 am

The Franko-Gothic Empire wrote:God doesn't exist............


.........beyond the realms of fiction, fantasy and/or delusion.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:02 am

The Franko-Gothic Empire wrote:God doesn't exist............

Neither does Dracula.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:10 am

Faolinn wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You're telling me if you walk into a busy street, your parents wouldn't try to help you because "you deserve it, fucker!"

What great, benevolent parents you have.

You fail so terrifyingly, disturbingly, miserably to understand.Your madness saddens me.But of course, you only like to see things on their skin.free will without being willing to face the consequences of all your actions whatever they may be is cowardice. One should try to help another because it prevents the consequence that perpetuates wickedness.Humans have their own personal divine capabilities, therefore, to so totally intrude on our lives would go against the perfect nature of God.

Why would a perfect, loving being create malaria?
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:16 am

And once again, opinions, which everyone has and few are willing to change, slide sideways into trolling, flaming, baiting, and other assorted nastiness all under the continued guise of "It's just my opinion/It's what I truly believe".

Seriously folks, knock it off. Save us some work, and everyone some headache, and learn how to express yourselves WITHOUT acting dickish to your fellow players.

That, in and of itself, regardless of who or what you might attribute it to, I would count as a miracle.

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