Is God a malevolent being?

[Yankee Empire]

It's called the burden of proof, matey. You claimed that God is all wise, so back it up.

It's part of th Definition of God!

I don't have to prove that any more than I have to prove that fish have gills, we're discussing a specific definition of god where omipotence is implied or did you not read the OP?

If you gonna pull your Burden of proof Card do it when it's appropriate to do so.

[Chinese Regions]

What Arrogance! Who cares what your Morals Standards are in comparison to God?

His moral standards are considerably higher than God's, as he has never committed genocide or murdered men, women and children.

Circular argument, "H e can judge god because his standars are higher than Gods...according to me some guy.

Elaborate? No one's sin has ever exceeded god. Name the worst rapist, paedophile, dictator, serial killer you can. What they done cannot be as bad as a being that could've prevented the birth or the crime said rapist/paedophile/dictator/serial killer, a being that has committed mass genocide because his creation didn't turn out right, a being that punished an angel for rebelling against his dictatorship, a being that could've prevented un-man made disasters; disease, accidents, volcanoes, earthquakes.

[BushSucks-istan]

He was probably responding to the highly popular option on the poll. *nods*

A Testament to the credibility of this entire conversation.

I'm done wasting my time here. Op's not interested in a reasonable discourse just mental masturbation.

The again I as sure of that befoe I posted just want reveal the hollowness of the "ideological stance".

You're probably a Christian and your signature says "anti pacifism''. Following the religion of Jesus and not being pacifist is like joining Greenpeace and hating whales.

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Religious

[Liberated Counties]

Since when was this website called: http://www.atheism.org?

Since when was this website the Vatican?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

It's called the burden of proof, matey. You claimed that God is all wise, so back it up.

It's part of th Definition of God!

I don't have to prove that any more than I have to prove that fish have gills, we're discussing a specific definition of god where omipotence is implied or did you not read the OP?

If you gonna pull your Burden of proof Card do it when it's appropriate to do so.

Omnipotence does not mean what you think it does.

[Big Jim P]

A Testament to the credibility of this entire conversation.

I'm done wasting my time here. Op's not interested in a reasonable discourse just mental masturbation.

The again I as sure of that befoe I posted just want reveal the hollowness of the "ideological stance".

You're probably a Christian and your signature says "anti pacifism''. Following the religion of Jesus and not being pacifist is like joining Greenpeace and hating whales.

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Well said.

[Genivaria]

If we're taking the Bible into account then yes.

[Chinese Regions]

It's called the burden of proof, matey. You claimed that God is all wise, so back it up.

It's part of th Definition of God!

Something else he did; by being omniscient there is no free will for his creations.

[Big Jim P]

It's called the burden of proof, matey. You claimed that God is all wise, so back it up.

It's part of th Definition of God!

I don't have to prove that any more than I have to prove that fish have gills, we're discussing a specific definition of god where omipotence is implied or did you not read the OP?

If you gonna pull your Burden of proof Card do it when it's appropriate to do so.

There are many gods. Not all of them have the same traits.

[The Oan Isles]

God is omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent existing in three persons (The Holy Spirit, The Son and The Father) being love itself. God manipulates evil to accomplish his perfect plan for All Creation. All Creation is made to love God and thus serve him. God is one with his Creation and is seperate and distinct from it being divine, metaphysical and holy.

[Genivaria]

Whats the point of arguing Gods Malevolence if you don't Beleive in God?

Trying to reinforce your preconceptions ponyboy?

Not seeing the problem here, Voldemort/Sauron/Darth Vader/Cthulu/Yaweh is an evil bastard.
They are all evil fictional characters and I hate them all.

[BushSucks-istan]

You're probably a Christian and your signature says "anti pacifism''. Following the religion of Jesus and not being pacifist is like joining Greenpeace and hating whales.

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Religious

Well said.

Thank you sir!

[Blazedtown]

Who do you think Michael calls when he runs out?

Well, he DOES have the ability to multiply food he touches. I think he could do that with herb...

Nah. He just got so ripped he started seeing double.

[Illte]

First of all I would like to state that I am an antitheist, and thus I am opposed to religion as a whole (with minor exceptions like Buddhism) as well as the concept of intelligent design and, as a result, I am also opposed to the idea of a supernatural, omnipotent and omniscient being that supposedly created the universe in its present state, i.e. a God.

Well, then, consider yourself banned from my world.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It's part of th Definition of God!

I don't have to prove that any more than I have to prove that fish have gills, we're discussing a specific definition of god where omipotence is implied or did you not read the OP?

If you gonna pull your Burden of proof Card do it when it's appropriate to do so.

There are many gods. Not all of them have the same traits.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster for example.

He is said to possess immense noodly appendages, whereas such features have not been attributed to Yahweh.

Yet.

[Reggae Is Coming to the Nation]

Most Christian scholars regard these "Texts of Terror" as the Israelites putting words in God's mouth. If you want to see the heart of Abrahamic theism, look to the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Micah or the gospels.

What about the Christians that view the Bible as infallible and God's word? You can't just pick and choose which parts of the Bible are correct and which parts should be ignored.

You mean inerrant, "without error"? Because infallibility means "with complete faith". There is a difference. Most Christians aren't the former but all are usually the latter. We trust Scripture, however we do not believe everything it says. Humans wrote it and human politics were involved in its compilation. Recognizing that we can see these Texts of Terror as a fantastical polemic against native Caananites.

Inspiration of Scripture doesn't mean it is without error. Your thinking of Muslim's view of the Quran.

Anyways since you are obviously not a Christian, what gives you the right to tell us what we can and cannot do?

[Big Jim P]

Whats the point of arguing Gods Malevolence if you don't Beleive in God?

Trying to reinforce your preconceptions ponyboy?

Not seeing the problem here, Voldemort/Sauron/Darth Vader/Cthulu/Yaweh is an evil bastard.
They are all evil fictional characters and I hate them all.

why waste the energy hating them? They were created for our entertainment.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

From my vague Sunday School recollections, evil is just meant to be the absence of God. Since we have free will, we can choose to exist in the absence of God, but this cultivates evil. Furthermore, "God's love" would have no significance for people without the comparatively less pleasant alternative.

That's what I remember when this question was brought up. Then again, I was seven years old, so I may have botched it.

I think I have heard that before, and it is an inherently flawed justification. We have free will because god gave it to us. If free will leads to evil, then is it not the act of creating free will an evil act?

Which brings you the the inevitable conclusion: If god really is perfect, then why would he ever do anything? If are perfect, then why create a flawed universe filled with flawed creatures? It makes no sense. If god is doing things then that is because he is trying to achieve something. In other words, he is lacking something, which means that as powerful and wise as he might be, he is not perfect.

Another Sunday School recollection answers a portion of this question. From what I remember, the answer is quite simple and perhaps simplistic, that God created people in order to love them. But since he wanted the love to be reciprocated by choice, he allowed for free will, which allowed for the absence of God, which allowed for evil.

It's a long string of reasoning, but there is an answer. You could perhaps conclude that it was selfish for him to create people for self-gratification, knowing full well that suffering would be a consequence.

[Genivaria]

First of all I would like to state that I am an antitheist, and thus I am opposed to religion as a whole (with minor exceptions like Buddhism) as well as the concept of intelligent design and, as a result, I am also opposed to the idea of a supernatural, omnipotent and omniscient being that supposedly created the universe in its present state, i.e. a God.

Well, then, consider yourself banned from my world.

General is Out of Character.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

First of all I would like to state that I am an antitheist, and thus I am opposed to religion as a whole (with minor exceptions like Buddhism) as well as the concept of intelligent design and, as a result, I am also opposed to the idea of a supernatural, omnipotent and omniscient being that supposedly created the universe in its present state, i.e. a God.

Well, then, consider yourself banned from my world.

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I feel better already.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

First of all I would like to state that I am an antitheist, and thus I am opposed to religion as a whole (with minor exceptions like Buddhism) as well as the concept of intelligent design and, as a result, I am also opposed to the idea of a supernatural, omnipotent and omniscient being that supposedly created the universe in its present state, i.e. a God.

Well, then, consider yourself banned from my world.

That argument...wow. I've seen the light; get me some water and we can do a baptism by sundown.

[Chinese Regions]

God is omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent existing in three persons (The Holy Spirit, The Son and The Father) being love itself. God manipulates evil to accomplish his perfect plan for All Creation. All Creation is made to love God and thus serve him. God is one with his Creation and is seperate and distinct from it being divine, metaphysical and holy.

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

[The Godly Nations]

God is not malevolent, as people claim, rather, he is just simply amoral, lacking in morality altogether. Therefore, it is fallacious to apply morality to him, when he simply exist beyond the reaches of morality.

[Genivaria]

Not seeing the problem here, Voldemort/Sauron/Darth Vader/Cthulu/Yaweh is an evil bastard.
They are all evil fictional characters and I hate them all.

why waste the energy hating them? They were created for our entertainment.

Story tellers create villains because we're SUPPOSED to hate them, in the same way we're supposed to love the heroes, if we're not emotionally invested in the story then your not really going to care what happens.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Well, then, consider yourself banned from my world.

That argument...wow. I've seen the light; get me some water and we can do a baptism by sundown.

Let us go out into the Lake, my brother, and feel the Holy Sprit descend on us.