Israel-Palestine conflict

[Azurand]

[sarcasm]So Transjordanians is the term given by God to Palestinians, not made-up.[/sarcasm]

Transjordan was the British term. The Ottomans used Syria. The Romans originally called it Judea, but the Jews acted like cunts during Roman Occupation and so they renamed it and enslaved the Jews to wipe out the memory of them actually ever being there.

We should return the Roman's name. The Islamo-Jewish Union of Judea.

In all of seriousness, therefore it made no difference, right? Transjordan or Palestine, both of them are made-up. Not the good reason to call "Palestinians don't exist".

[Vazdania]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

[North Stradia]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

How about...

No.

[Gub Kur Gana Dadag]

If the troops of Khosrau II were not crushed at the Battle of Nineveh, this whole Israel-Palestine conflict might never have become an issue. That being said, I think there needs to be a drastic shift in dialogue and a compromise of historical narrative for bridges to be built and for lasting reconciliation to take place. Thinly veiled Islamic imperialism, hateful rhetoric and hotheaded, reactionary Israeli politicians just don't seem to be cutting it anymore.

[Vazdania]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

How about...

No.

How about.... Yes?

[Tlaceceyaya]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

Why not have Israel be Israel somewhere else, then, if you're going to relocate that many people by force? After all, the Palestinians have been there for hundreds of years.

[Azurand]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

Nice. The same thing could also apply to Israel.

So no.

[Ralkovia]

Transjordan was the British term. The Ottomans used Syria. The Romans originally called it Judea, but the Jews acted like cunts during Roman Occupation and so they renamed it and enslaved the Jews to wipe out the memory of them actually ever being there.

We should return the Roman's name. The Islamo-Jewish Union of Judea.

In all of seriousness, therefore it made no difference, right? Transjordan or Palestine, both of them are made-up. Not the good reason to call "Palestinians don't exist".

I mean in reality, the Jews get along just fine with Non Arab Nationalist groups. The Druze and Circassians serve with distinction and some are so pro-Israel it boggles my mind.
There was this anti-Israel Palestinian group remembering Nakba(they were using Islam or something about that) and a bunch of Druzes started shouting at them to go fuck themselves and that they should be silenced.

Islam isn't as nearly united as people make it out to be. Saudi Arabian are well known to abuse their Asian Muslim housemaids. Etc. etc. They're just as racist as anyone else. Perhaps even more so.

[North Stradia]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

Why not have Israel be Israel somewhere else, then, if you're going to relocate that many people by force? After all, the Palestinians have been there for hundreds of years.

How about we relocate nobody?

[Gub Kur Gana Dadag]

How about we relocate nobody?

I like it.

[Ralkovia]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

Why not have Israel be Israel somewhere else, then, if you're going to relocate that many people by force? After all, the Palestinians have been there for hundreds of years.

Yeah, but in 70 years Israel has pumped more technology out than the Arab World combined, has earned more Nobel Prizes than the Arab World, and is a leading technology manufacturer. The Arabs on the other hand have done absolutely nothing...

They can do absolutely nothing elsewhere.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Why not have Israel be Israel somewhere else, then, if you're going to relocate that many people by force? After all, the Palestinians have been there for hundreds of years.

How about we relocate nobody?

Note that I said why not X, if Y. Like why not shoot the murderer, if you're going to shoot either it or the good samaritan in the elevator with you.
I was not advocating forced relocation.

[Azurand]

We should return the Roman's name. The Islamo-Jewish Union of Judea.

In all of seriousness, therefore it made no difference, right? Transjordan or Palestine, both of them are made-up. Not the good reason to call "Palestinians don't exist".

I mean in reality, the Jews get along just fine with Non Arab Nationalist groups. The Druze and Circassians serve with distinction and some are so pro-Israel it boggles my mind.
There was this anti-Israel Palestinian group remembering Nakba(they were using Islam or something about that) and a bunch of Druzes started shouting at them to go fuck themselves and that they should be silenced.

Well, I don't calling Druzes as Muslims, and I'm not so surprised if they support Israel.

Islam isn't as nearly united as people make it out to be. Saudi Arabian are well known to abuse their Asian Muslim housemaids. Etc. etc. They're just as racist as anyone else. Perhaps even more so.

Fuck those Saudis. Yes, I do agree with you, however. With the exception that Muslims are more racist than average people. We in Indonesia have the ridiculously different cultures, and, as far as I know, we're okay with it. Expect some clashes, but majority of our people don't care about race so much.

[Ralkovia]

I mean in reality, the Jews get along just fine with Non Arab Nationalist groups. The Druze and Circassians serve with distinction and some are so pro-Israel it boggles my mind.
There was this anti-Israel Palestinian group remembering Nakba(they were using Islam or something about that) and a bunch of Druzes started shouting at them to go fuck themselves and that they should be silenced.

Well, I don't calling Druzes as Muslims, and I'm not so surprised if they support Israel.

Islam isn't as nearly united as people make it out to be. Saudi Arabian are well known to abuse their Asian Muslim housemaids. Etc. etc. They're just as racist as anyone else. Perhaps even more so.

Fuck those Saudis. Yes, I do agree with you, however. With the exception that Muslims are more racist than average people. We in Indonesia have the ridiculously different cultures, and, as far as I know, we're okay with it. Expect some clashes, but majority of our people don't care about race so much.

I actually wanted to ask you this, I heard from a friend from Indonesia, that the the Indonesians make a sharp distinction amongst themselves between Israel and the Jews. Is that true?

[Azurand]

Why not have Israel be Israel somewhere else, then, if you're going to relocate that many people by force? After all, the Palestinians have been there for hundreds of years.

Yeah, but in 70 years Israel has pumped more technology out than the Arab World combined, has earned more Nobel Prizes than the Arab World, and is a leading technology manufacturer. The Arabs on the other hand have done absolutely nothing...

They can do absolutely nothing elsewhere.

Makes any sense, Arabs are fucked themselves with their money, or just with their ridiculous fanatic socialist though. But Iranian technology is pretty well.

And that's no excuse for Israel to own the entire land. They committed many atrocities as much as radical Islamist terrorists, perhaps even more.

[Azurand]

Well, I don't calling Druzes as Muslims, and I'm not so surprised if they support Israel.


Fuck those Saudis. Yes, I do agree with you, however. With the exception that Muslims are more racist than average people. We in Indonesia have the ridiculously different cultures, and, as far as I know, we're okay with it. Expect some clashes, but majority of our people don't care about race so much.

I actually wanted to ask you this, I heard from a friend from Indonesia, that the the Indonesians make a sharp distinction amongst themselves between Israel and the Jews. Is that true?

Could you please explained it? My English isn't good enough to understand your question.

[Ralkovia]

Yeah, but in 70 years Israel has pumped more technology out than the Arab World combined, has earned more Nobel Prizes than the Arab World, and is a leading technology manufacturer. The Arabs on the other hand have done absolutely nothing...

They can do absolutely nothing elsewhere.

Makes any sense, Arabs are fucked themselves with their money, or just with their ridiculous fanatic socialist though. But Iranian technology is pretty well.

And that's no excuse for Israel to own the entire land. They committed many atrocities as much as radical Islamist terrorists, perhaps even more.

I see what you did in the last part. The Iranians are Persians, perhaps one of the greatest historical nations known to man. Islam has only reached the point of idiocy in the last 40 years.

Israel probably doesn't. You can't launch rockets at someone and not expect them to retaliate.

[Ralkovia]

I actually wanted to ask you this, I heard from a friend from Indonesia, that the the Indonesians make a sharp distinction amongst themselves between Israel and the Jews. Is that true?

Could you please explained it? My English isn't good enough to understand your question.

The Indonesians don't have problems with Jews, but they do have problems with Israel.

[Azurand]

Could you please explained it? My English isn't good enough to understand your question.

The Indonesians don't have problems with Jews, but they do have problems with Israel.

Depends. Because the Jews are very, very few in Indonesia (actually, I doubt if there's any Jew in here), so, well, it's hard to see it through the actions. While some stupid people believe in evil conspiracy theories about Jews and viewed them as no different as Israel (and you could see their post in internet, referred people they mocked as "Jews", not "Israelis"), I know some people which are could distinguished between Israel and Jews.

Antisemitism is rather acceptable in here, doubting Holocaust will not caused a large chaos in here because, well, there isn't any Jews in here to make the antisemitism appeared clearly. In fact, I'm rather a fan of Nazi Germany (not support their atrocities, though). Not the ideology, but the stuffs they used and wear . Sadly, this is the truth.

[Costa Alegria]

The Indonesians don't have problems with Jews, but they do have problems with Israel.

Depends. Because the Jews are very, very few in Indonesia (actually, I doubt if there's any Jew in here), so, well, it's hard to see it through the actions. While some stupid people believe in evil conspiracy theories about Jews and viewed them as no different as Israel (and you could see their post in internet, referred people they mocked as "Jews", not "Israelis"), I know some people which are could distinguished between Israel and Jews.

Antisemitism is rather acceptable in here, doubting Holocaust will not caused a large chaos in here because, well, there isn't any Jews in here to make the antisemitism appeared clearly. In fact, I'm rather a fan of Nazi Germany (not support their atrocities, though). Not the ideology, but the stuffs they used and wear . Sadly, this is the truth.

Hugo Boss was......well.......boss.

[Xathranaar]

The Palestinians are the Jews that were living there.

Not really. They stopped being Jews the second they started being Muslims.

It doesn't matter. If the point is, "my ancestors lived here, therefore it's mine," and they have the same ancestors...

[Xathranaar]

Why not have Israel be Israel somewhere else, then, if you're going to relocate that many people by force? After all, the Palestinians have been there for hundreds of years.

How about we relocate nobody?

How about we relocate everybody.

It will be like musical chairs, but with countries.

... just better hope the Chinese don't end up with Monaco.

[Gub Kur Gana Dadag]

How about we relocate everybody.

It will be like musical chairs, but with countries.

... just better hope the Chinese don't end up with Monaco.

I like this too. Torn between relocating everybody and relocating nobody. There are serious virtues to both.

[Tellingus]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

Why not have Israel be Israel somewhere else, then, if you're going to relocate that many people by force? After all, the Palestinians have been there for hundreds of years.

Problem is is that there are already lots of Jews in the Judea region. If you suddenly say that Israel has to move away and make place for the Palestines then the Isreali people won't be glad either and can revolt.

[Knask]

The old libel about Organ harvesting.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-deno ... e-1.282367

What does the word "libel" mean again?

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Damn the anti Israeli UK, they should have stopped that article from being published!