Israel-Palestine conflict

[Dilange]

It advocates treating Israelis and Palestinians equally and is not batshit insane. If the world and the issues in that region were as simple as they ought to be, it'd be a great idea.

It has some youthful optimism, you could say. Kids look at the world and find simple solutions to complex problems, yet reality is too harsh to fix itself.

It takes a lot of time to change international ideologies, and can be sometimes impossible. Changing views and thoughts is not an easy process either. If it was, it would have been implimented ages ago before the numerous wars between Israel and their neighbors.

[Divair]

It has some youthful optimism, you could say. Kids look at the world and find simple solutions to complex problems, yet reality is too harsh to fix itself.

It takes a lot of time to change international ideologies, and can be sometimes impossible. Changing views and thoughts is not an easy process either. If it was, it would have been implimented ages ago before the numerous wars between Israel and their neighbors.

Quite.

[Ralkovia]

Divair is the most detactched from reality guy EVER. He thinmks inside a tiny bubble of thought that is insane. He hates Israel's ally U.S but loves the Anti-Israel Sweden. He hates anyone with a different opinion and thinks everyone is inferior to him.

First, detached from reality? Explain.

Second, I dont believe he hates the United States. He never has stated any hate towards the country.

Third, How is Sweden anti-Israel?

Fourth, you act exactly like your last sentence. He does not.

Actually Sweden is frighteningly anti-Israel, to the point of near antisemitism. Norway as well. The large amount of Muslims and the even larger amount of leftists and so called antifascists have absolutely wrecked the Jewish community there.

You know its bad when far right Swedish Democrats, a party reformed from an earlier Neo-Nazi group, has Jewish members calling leftists anti-semites.

Just in last few years a synagogue was attacked with bombs. A Malmo mayor said something along the line of "its the Jews fault if they don't make it clear that they don't support Israel."

[Dilange]

First, detached from reality? Explain.

Second, I dont believe he hates the United States. He never has stated any hate towards the country.

Third, How is Sweden anti-Israel?

Fourth, you act exactly like your last sentence. He does not.

Actually Sweden is frighteningly anti-Israel, to the point of near antisemitism. Norway as well. The large amount of Muslims and the even larger amount of leftists and so called antifascists have absolutely wrecked the Jewish community there.

You know its bad when far right Swedish Democrats, a party reformed from an earlier Neo-Nazi group, has Jewish members calling leftists anti-semites.

Just in last few years a synagogue was attacked with bombs. A Malmo mayor said something along the line of "its the Jews fault if they don't make it clear that they don't support Israel."

I didnt know any of that. However could I see some proof?

[Ralkovia]

Actually Sweden is frighteningly anti-Israel, to the point of near antisemitism. Norway as well. The large amount of Muslims and the even larger amount of leftists and so called antifascists have absolutely wrecked the Jewish community there.

You know its bad when far right Swedish Democrats, a party reformed from an earlier Neo-Nazi group, has Jewish members calling leftists anti-semites.

Just in last few years a synagogue was attacked with bombs. A Malmo mayor said something along the line of "its the Jews fault if they don't make it clear that they don't support Israel."

I didnt know any of that. However could I see some proof?

yeah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Sweden
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists ... ?id=232988
http://www.ejpress.org/article/62021
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3554/ ... -to-sweden
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 13,00.html

The old libel about Organ harvesting.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-deno ... e-1.282367


They're so rabidly anti Israel, that you can find a lot more sources. Im on my ipad so its difficult but I can post more, if you want.

[Valtakuntia]

The Palestinians should all move to the Sinai peninsula.

Why?

Because I said so.

[Divair]

Why?

Because I said so.

What a convincing argument.

[Dilange]

Why?

Because I said so.

Just because you said so, the Palestinians are moving to the Sinai. You should become their ruler or something.

[Divair]

Because I said so.

Just because you said so, the Palestinians are moving to the Sinai. You should become their ruler or something.

Ruler of the universe. Or not.

[Spiritwolf]

Greetings and Salutations all!

[Valtakuntia]

Because I said so.

What a convincing argument.

I know, right?

[Valtakuntia]

Because I said so.

Just because you said so, the Palestinians are moving to the Sinai. You should become their ruler or something.

I already am their ruler.

[Dilange]

Just because you said so, the Palestinians are moving to the Sinai. You should become their ruler or something.

I already am their ruler.

Cool story bro, tell another.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

The Palestinians should all move to the Sinai peninsula.

NOOOOOOOOOO. THe Palestinians should all return ti their homeland of Palestine(Jordan).

[Tlaceceyaya]

The Palestinians should all move to the Sinai peninsula.

NOOOOOOOOOO. THe Palestinians should all return ti their homeland of Palestine(Jordan).

That land they'd been living in for hundreds, if not over a thousand, years? Nah, only part of it's their homeland. They're all identical, so as long as they are allowed in one square centimetre of that land, they'll be happy.

[Dilange]

The Palestinians should all move to the Sinai peninsula.

NOOOOOOOOOO. THe Palestinians should all return ti their homeland of Palestine(Jordan).

Jordan is part of Palestine, not all of Palestine.

[Novraslavia]

Wait, Nicer potlimitomaha, you're not even an Israeli? I was worried when I was debating you because I thought you were Israeli and you might know more about the subject than I. I guess I was wrong. You don't know more than me, you're just incredibly dogmatic.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

NOOOOOOOOOO. THe Palestinians should all return ti their homeland of Palestine(Jordan).

That land they'd been living in for hundreds, if not over a thousand, years? Nah, only part of it's their homeland. They're all identical, so as long as they are allowed in one square centimetre of that land, they'll be happy.

The whole idea of a 2 state solution is that NO ONE GETS 100%. I'm for a 2 state solution with the Jordan River being the border.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

NOOOOOOOOOO. THe Palestinians should all return ti their homeland of Palestine(Jordan).

Jordan is part of Palestine, not all of Palestine.

2 state solution.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Wait, Nicer potlimitomaha, you're not even an Israeli? I was worried when I was debating you because I thought you were Israeli and you might know more about the subject than I. I guess I was wrong. You don't know more than me, you're just incredibly dogmatic.

I do know more then you!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dilange]

Jordan is part of Palestine, not all of Palestine.

2 state solution.

The Palestinians were living there much before the Balfour Declaration was even thought of.

[Novraslavia]

Wait, Nicer potlimitomaha, you're not even an Israeli? I was worried when I was debating you because I thought you were Israeli and you might know more about the subject than I. I guess I was wrong. You don't know more than me, you're just incredibly dogmatic.

I do know more then you!!!!!!!!!!!

That's not a very nice thing to say. You don't know that. I'm incredibly bad at debating and expressing my opinions, but yelling at me that you know more than I do is dickish at best.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

2 state solution.

The Palestinians were living there much before the Balfour Declaration was even thought of.

Yeah and the Jews were living there long before the Palestinians even came into existence.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm moderately content for them to make eachothers lives utterly miserable.
Or I would be, if there weren't the occasional secularist who doesn't give a fuck what your race or religion is wasn't caught up in the fire.
Tell you what, how about a 3 state solution. All the Judaic Jews who love Judaism and Jews and hate Arabs go to A, all the Islamic Arabs who love Islam and Arabs and hate Jews and Judaism go to B, and everyone who doesn't give a fuck and just want some mcdonalds and a wide screen tv and to be left the fuck alone go to C.
Islamic Terrorists kill Israeli Fundamentalists in shootout garners exactly zero fucks from me. Good. Glad they died. Fuckem.
Where both sides keep screwing up is involving the people who don't care. If they were a majority, the situation would resolve itself and we'd have a one state solution already. But no, apparently racism and sectarianism are the politics of the day in the region.

[Divair]

I'm moderately content for them to make eachothers lives utterly miserable.
Or I would be, if there weren't the occasional secularist who doesn't give a fuck what your race or religion is wasn't caught up in the fire.
Tell you what, how about a 3 state solution. All the Judaic Jews who love Judaism and Jews and hate Arabs go to A, all the Islamic Arabs who love Islam and Arabs and hate Jews and Judaism go to B, and everyone who doesn't give a fuck and just want some mcdonalds and a wide screen tv and to be left the fuck alone go to C.
Islamic Terrorists kill Israeli Fundamentalists in shootout garners exactly zero fucks from me. Good. Glad they died. Fuckem.
Where both sides keep screwing up is involving the people who don't care. If they were a majority, the situation would resolve itself and we'd have a one state solution already. But no, apparently racism and sectarianism are the politics of the day in the region.

Friend's sis and I actually discussed this possibility. Found a party based on a three state solution. Israel, Palestine, and Crazyland. Shove all the extremists into Crazyland and build a wall around it. Let them duke it out for the rest of time.