Israel-Palestine conflict

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

Why are we arguing about the maps? I think we are losing focus on the issue at hand.

Now who ever posted this should. . . wait I posted that

[Farnhamia]

And it's easier than addressing the actual problems.

My opinion is there is no problem- if both the Israeli leadership, HAMAS, and the PLO want to continue shooting at each other, there is absolutely no reason for us to stop them.

If it were just the leadership of one side shooting at the leadership of the other, I might agree. It isn't and you know it.

[Farnhamia]

Why are we arguing about the maps? I think we are losing focus on the issue at hand.

Now who ever posted this should. . . wait I posted that

*summons Guards* Take him away.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Now who ever posted this should. . . wait I posted that

*summons Guards* Take him away.

How much do you pay these guards of yours anyway, and how does one apply for the position?

[Farnhamia]

*summons Guards* Take him away.

How much do you pay these guards of yours anyway, and how does one apply for the position?

They get room and board, weaponry and some walking-around cash. Oh, and really good health care (I was a goddess of healing back in Lost, Lovely Lagash, you know). Most of them do it for the blessing of being in my presence.

[The Godly Nations]

My opinion is there is no problem- if both the Israeli leadership, HAMAS, and the PLO want to continue shooting at each other, there is absolutely no reason for us to stop them.

If it were just the leadership of one side shooting at the leadership of the other, I might agree. It isn't and you know it.

The people voted in their leader, they are just as much culpable as the leaders themselves.

The will of the Israeli and the Palestinian people have spoken, they want to continue the conflict until one side or the other is exterminated, and to meddle in their affairs by proposing a peace so contrary to the opinion of the electorate would be undemocratic.

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

*summons Guards* Take him away.

How much do you pay these guards of yours anyway, and how does one apply for the position?

Be an illegal alien with a gun. That way they only get paid $10 an hour.

[Farnhamia]

If it were just the leadership of one side shooting at the leadership of the other, I might agree. It isn't and you know it.

The people voted in their leader, they are just as much culpable as the leaders themselves.

"You voted for Bibi, you die! Aaaahahahaha!" *boom*

Bullshit.

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

If it were just the leadership of one side shooting at the leadership of the other, I might agree. It isn't and you know it.

The people voted in their leader, they are just as much culpable as the leaders themselves.

Define Voted.

[The Nuclear Fist]

The people voted in their leader, they are just as much culpable as the leaders themselves.

"You voted for Bibi, you die! Aaaahahahaha!" *boom*

Bullshit.

And if you didn't vote for Bibi, you die anyway.

[The Godly Nations]

"You voted for Bibi, you die! Aaaahahahaha!" *boom*

Bullshit.

If you voted for someone who wants to perpetuate the war, you must be prepared for all the consequence that that war entails. The general will has spoken, and it wants war.

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

"You voted for Bibi, you die! Aaaahahahaha!" *boom*

Bullshit.

If you voted for someone who wants to perpetuate the war, you must be prepared for all the consequence that that war entails. The general will has spoken, and it wants war.

Again what is your definition of "Voted." I didn't know they could vote.

[The Godly Nations]

If you voted for someone who wants to perpetuate the war, you must be prepared for all the consequence that that war entails. The general will has spoken, and it wants war.

Again what is your definition of "Voted." I didn't know they could vote.

to vote- v. i. To express or signify the mind, will, or preference, viva voce, by a ballot or the like in order to reach a decision; to cast or give a vote.

v.t. 1. To enact, pring about, effect, etc., by a formal vote; as to vote an appropriation. 2. colloq. to declare by general opinion or common onsent, as, he was voted a bore.

[Seangoli]

You honestly cannot be so dense as to claim that the map is from the time period. Nobody can be idiotic enough to claim that the map you presented is "from the time period". It is simply unfathomable.

Here's a challenge: Find me one map from prior to the 1950's which shows the bullshit you are spewing. Not a modern map, but an actual period map(As in created prior to 1950) that shows it.

I found something from the Palestine Royal Commission from 1936. You probably know a lot more about the subject than I do, care to fill me in?

Map.

Yeah, the point I was (trying, and likely failing) to get to Nicer is that Jordan was never once referred to as palestine. He has vehemently refused this position ad naseum, and brings up the position constantly and out of nowhere for no real reason I can find. Every historical map from the period shows Palestine as being left of the river, and his fabrication are bordering on the ludicrous at this point. I'm getting the feeling he's just trying to get a rise out of people at this point.

That said, essentially the British Mandate from 1923 dictated what to do with the land that the British were commissioned from the Ottoman Empire after WWI. The commission in charge quite clearly iterated that Transjordan (Jordan) and Palestine were two seperate entities. The Mandate also mandated the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine, however didn't really define the boundaries as far as I know.

The entire point, however, is this: The British mandate clearly demarcated Palestine and Transjordan. This isn't even up for dispute. Second, the Mandate called for the creation of an Israeli state or enclave in Palestine.

Nicer, however, is insisting that Jordan is Palestine for some unknown, baffling reason. Given his complete ignorance of even the most basic historical facts, coupled with ludicrous fabrications of historical events, I have to wonder his sincerity in this entire conversation. He has said as much previously, and the ludicrous behavior and out-right lying he has done (To the point where he denied ever having been involved with a dozens pages long debate on this very subject in this very thread not more than a week ago) pretty much points to him trying to get a rise out of people. There's a word for it, but I'm going to leave that word under the bridge for now.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Why are we arguing about the maps? I think we are losing focus on the issue at hand.

We're trying to conclusively prove that NP has no idea what he's talking about. It's obvious to everyone but him.

For example, here are two maps from the period of Palestine.

You haven't found a map from before the Heshemite occupation in 1923. That's the cut off date. Any map m,ade after 1923 is incorrect.

[Farnhamia]

We're trying to conclusively prove that NP has no idea what he's talking about. It's obvious to everyone but him.

For example, here are two maps from the period of Palestine.

You haven't found a map from before the Heshemite occupation in 1923. That's the cut off date. Any map m,ade after 1923 is incorrect.

The "Hashemite occupation"? You mean the establishment of Transjordan? That did not include the Palestinian Mandate, west of the Jordan. If you have contradictory sources, please post them, or link to the posts where you did.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

I'm getting the feeling he's just trying to get a rise out of people at this point.He has said as much previously, and the ludicrous behavior and out-right lying he has done (To the point where he denied ever having been involved with a dozens pages long debate on this very subject in this very thread not more than a week ago) pretty much points to him trying to get a rise out of people. There's a word for it, but I'm going to leave that word under the bridge for now.

The whole point of the rule against Trollnaming is that people would stop stiffling discussion by crying troll. I'm not going to report you if you do but some of the other posters might. But I don't think anyone seriously would report you.

[Souseiseki]

I'm getting the feeling he's just trying to get a rise out of people at this point.He has said as much previously, and the ludicrous behavior and out-right lying he has done (To the point where he denied ever having been involved with a dozens pages long debate on this very subject in this very thread not more than a week ago) pretty much points to him trying to get a rise out of people. There's a word for it, but I'm going to leave that word under the bridge for now.

The whole point of the rule against Trollnaming is that people would stop stiffling discussion by crying troll. I'm not going to report you if you do but some of the other posters might. But I don't think anyone seriously would report you.

which would be irrelevant, because there is no stifling of the discussion. we've had the same discussion 5 times over, like, what, a month or so?

[Seangoli]

We're trying to conclusively prove that NP has no idea what he's talking about. It's obvious to everyone but him.

For example, here are two maps from the period of Palestine.

You haven't found a map from before the Heshemite occupation in 1923. That's the cut off date. Any map m,ade after 1923 is incorrect.

http://www.antiquemaps4u.com/images/map ... y_Land.jpg

1864 US Mitchel Map of Palestine.

Now I want YOU to show a period map that says anything even remotely close to what you have said.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

You haven't found a map from before the Heshemite occupation in 1923. That's the cut off date. Any map m,ade after 1923 is incorrect.

The "Hashemite occupation"? You mean the establishment of Transjordan? That did not include the Palestinian Mandate, west of the Jordan. If you have contradictory sources, please post them, or link to the posts where you did.

Jordan was part of Palestine until the Heshemites were handed "TransJordan" by the British


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... brkCGTrTzw

[Seangoli]

The "Hashemite occupation"? You mean the establishment of Transjordan? That did not include the Palestinian Mandate, west of the Jordan. If you have contradictory sources, please post them, or link to the posts where you did.

Jordan was part of Palestine until the Heshemites were handed "TransJordan" by the British


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... brkCGTrTzw

There is not a single period map on that entire site. It's akin to saying "cause I said so". The only map I could find is a *modern* representation of what the site creator thinks, not an actual period map from the relevant era. Further, as has been provided to you multiple time British maps from the period clearly demarcate Palestine and Jordan. The fact taht you handwaive them is further proof of your complete lack of sincerity in the discussion.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

You haven't found a map from before the Heshemite occupation in 1923. That's the cut off date. Any map m,ade after 1923 is incorrect.

http://www.antiquemaps4u.com/images/map ... y_Land.jpg

1864 US Mitchel Map of Palestine.

Now I want YOU to show a period map that says anything even remotely close to what you have said.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q= ... 0785248054

[Seangoli]

http://www.antiquemaps4u.com/images/map ... y_Land.jpg

1864 US Mitchel Map of Palestine.

Now I want YOU to show a period map that says anything even remotely close to what you have said.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q= ... 0785248054

You do know that "Palestine Mandate" refers to a policy-not the geographical region, right?

Also, that is not a period map, once again. It appears to be a map created some time after the fact for a paper on the subject, discussing the area that the Mandate covered. It is not, in any case, from the period.

Find me an actual map from the time period. Now.

[Farnhamia]

The "Hashemite occupation"? You mean the establishment of Transjordan? That did not include the Palestinian Mandate, west of the Jordan. If you have contradictory sources, please post them, or link to the posts where you did.

Jordan was part of Palestine until the Heshemites were handed "TransJordan" by the British


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... brkCGTrTzw

Parts of Jordan were included in the Roman Palaestina provinces, but historically there were other entities in the area, such as the kingdoms of Moab and Edom, and the Gaulanitis, Nabataea, Peraea, and others. Under the Ottomans the area east of the Jordan was part of the Vilayet of Syria.

[DogDoo 7]

If it were just the leadership of one side shooting at the leadership of the other, I might agree. It isn't and you know it.

The people voted in their leader, they are just as much culpable as the leaders themselves.

The will of the Israeli and the Palestinian people have spoken, they want to continue the conflict until one side or the other is exterminated, and to meddle in their affairs by proposing a peace so contrary to the opinion of the electorate would be undemocratic.

Yeah, the last Palestinian elections are SIX YEARS overdue, and if you understood how politics works in Israel you would see how Bibi's sole skill is manipulating our system for his personal empowerment. (Not to discount the fact there are warmongers here, but then again, this isn't really war)