Israel-Palestine conflict

[The Nuclear Fist]

When the Palestine is freed from the Heshemites most palestinians would voluntarily move.

Source.

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1. The Native Americans are almost extinct due to mixing and Americanization.

And, you know, genocide.

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You know what else was called Palestine? Modern day Israel.

Yes. But the whole idea of the 2 state solution is that neither side gets 100% of Palestine.

Jordan being Palestine is not the two-state solution, try again.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Yes. But the whole idea of the 2 state solution is that neither side gets 100% of Palestine.

Yes, they both get a part of Palestine. Jordan, however, being neither Palestine or Israel, has nothing to do with it. The most obvious choice is to hand over the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinian Authority as the State of Palestine. Perhaps give a bit of land to connect the two, but it isn't really necessary.

http://israelvets.com/picts/nation_rebo ... ineMap.jpg

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

1. The Native Americans are almost extinct due to mixing and Americanization.

And, you know, genocide.

Even America has a dark history.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Yes. But the whole idea of the 2 state solution is that neither side gets 100% of Palestine.

Jordan being Palestine is not the two-state solution, try again.

Yes it is.

[The Nuclear Fist]

http://israelvets.com/picts/nation_reborn/full_size_images/PalestineMap.jpg

Sure, Israel remains the green parts and Palestine becomes the brown parts.

[Saruhan]

So, NicerPLO, you've never answered my question, do the Philistines deserve a state?

[The Nuclear Fist]

Yes it is.

You are really good at being wrong.

[Rainbows and Rivers]

No I do not. Your two state solution however is to turn Jordan into Palestine. You're not even giving Palestinians some of Palestine. You're just relabelling Jordan and telling them to pack their bags and move over there.

Millions of Palestinians already live there.I'm not saying that they should all move to Pakistan. And Jordan was relabeled Jordan after being called Palestine.

Assuming for a second the Jordan as Palestine theory is true (it isn't), it's still basically irrelevant. As you yourself brought up, the Palestinians have been living in that land for centuries. Israel has no claim to the lands you want it to have and no right to move anyone off them.

In other words, assuming everything else you've said up to now has been 100% correct (it hasn't) the 'natural and sane' boundary between Israel and Palestine is not the one you claim.

[Democratic Koyro]

Jordan being Palestine is not the two-state solution, try again.

Yes it is.

You are humiliating yourself.

[Seangoli]

No I do not. Your two state solution however is to turn Jordan into Palestine. You're not even giving Palestinians some of Palestine. You're just relabelling Jordan and telling them to pack their bags and move over there.

Millions of Palestinians already live there.I'm not saying that they should all move to Pakistan. And Jordan was relabeled Jordan after being called Palestine.

Millions of Palestinians forced out of their homes in Palestine.

And you are continuing to lie, again. It is aggravating beyond belief how little intellectual honesty you actually have. I agree with Tmut, as you have been provided with more than enough information to go beyond merely being ignorant. You are willfully misrepresenting basic historical fact and being an absolute, 100% liar by this point who *will not* accept any sort of realistic notion of history. Further, your insistence that Jordan is somehow Palestine is only further propagation of an idea that Palestinians are somehow so stupid of a people that they will believe anything idiotic ruse presented to them. You have no respect for them as a people, no respect whatsoever for basic and fundamental rights of an entire population, and further have zero interest in actually having anything even resembling an intelligent debate.

So here's my question to you:

What *possible* purpose did it serve to you to bring this up again, after you were full aware of *everybody's* opinion on it, after the discussion had been resolved after you continuously and repeatedly ignored all factual evidence against your completely baseless claim that goes against every single historical document imaginable. Why did you need to present this concept, again, as some sort of new piece of information, after you and most everybody else was personally involved in several *pages* of debate where flat-out ignored any and all factual evidence to the contrary? Why did you feel the need, after all of this, to bring it up and then claim that the debate never fucking happened.

You seem to have an absolute need to control every aspect of this thread, and the second it goes from what you personally dictated you felt the need to post something that you full well know has been completely debased. [i]The debate taht you were involved in for the last damn week[/b].

So I ask you: What possible purpose did it serve to bring this up again? Are you so desperate for attention that you need to dictate the entire course of conversation or what? Personally, I have my feelings on what you are doing, but it's against forum rules to state as such. So what is it, exactly, that you are doing?

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Yes it is.

You are really good at being wrong.

The two-state solution refers to the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict currently under discussion, which calls for "two states for two peoples". The two-state solution envisages the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel in the territory of the former British Mandate of Palestine.

That is exactly what i am saying and it is right from your sourse.

[The Nuclear Fist]

That is exactly what i am saying and it is right from your sourse.

Yes, the British Mandate. Which was for Israel. Transjordan not included.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

http://israelvets.com/picts/nation_reborn/full_size_images/PalestineMap.jpg

Sure, Israel remains the green parts and Palestine becomes the brown parts.

Or the Jordan river could be th border.

[Democratic Koyro]

You are really good at being wrong.

The two-state solution refers to the solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict currently under discussion, which calls for "two states for two peoples". The two-state solution envisages the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel in the territory of the former British Mandate of Palestine.

That is exactly what i am saying and it is right from your sourse.

I could've sworn you said Palestine was Jordan and that all Palestinians should live there....

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Millions of Palestinians already live there.I'm not saying that they should all move to Pakistan. And Jordan was relabeled Jordan after being called Palestine.

Assuming for a second the Jordan as Palestine theory is true (it isn't), it's still basically irrelevant. As you yourself brought up, the Palestinians have been living in that land for centuries. Israel has no claim to the lands you want it to have and no right to move anyone off them.

In other words, assuming everything else you've said up to now has been 100% correct (it hasn't) the 'natural and sane' boundary between Israel and Palestine is not the one you claim.

So you tell me. What do you think the boundrey should be?

[Seangoli]

Yes, they both get a part of Palestine. Jordan, however, being neither Palestine or Israel, has nothing to do with it. The most obvious choice is to hand over the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinian Authority as the State of Palestine. Perhaps give a bit of land to connect the two, but it isn't really necessary.

http://israelvets.com/picts/nation_rebo ... ineMap.jpg

Any idiot anywhere can make a map saying any damn thing they want. I have provided you with a metric fuckton of actual, historic maps that have all shown Palestine as including only the Jordan River valley, and no further east. Your absolute dishonesty in this issue is absolutely baffling. How anyone, anywhere, can lie to the extent that you have, and continue to do so, is beyond human understanding.

[Saruhan]

Still waiting for an answer to my Question Nicer

[The Nuclear Fist]

Or the Jordan river could be th border.

No, because that is ethnic cleansing, which is bad.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

That is exactly what i am saying and it is right from your sourse.

I could've sworn you said Palestine was Jordan and that all Palestinians should live there....

Palestine streched from the Mediterranian sea to Iraq. The principal of the 2 state solution is that neither side gets 100% of Palestine. The Jordan river is the best border for the 2 countries of Israel and Palestine.

[Seangoli]

Assuming for a second the Jordan as Palestine theory is true (it isn't), it's still basically irrelevant. As you yourself brought up, the Palestinians have been living in that land for centuries. Israel has no claim to the lands you want it to have and no right to move anyone off them.

In other words, assuming everything else you've said up to now has been 100% correct (it hasn't) the 'natural and sane' boundary between Israel and Palestine is not the one you claim.

So you tell me. What do you think the boundrey should be?

It's pretty fucking simple: The greenline is a pretty damn good place to start drawing up the border. You know, because that's where the Palestinians are from.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Or the Jordan river could be th border.

No, because that is ethnic cleansing, which is bad.

Voluntary movement is NEVER ethnic cleansing.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

So, NicerPLO, you've never answered my question, do the Philistines deserve a state?

NO.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Voluntary movement is NEVER ethnic cleansing.

Except it wouldn't be voluntary. And unless you can prove the majority of Palestinians would get up and move to a foreign country they have no connection to, you're advocating ethnic cleansing.