Israel-Palestine conflict

[Saruhan]

(Palestinians) It is their ancient homeland as well, they want part of that land to be theirs entirely, you know the areas where their people live. They are entitled to have their home, as are the Israelis.

They can live in Israel or pack their stuff and move to Jordan(/other countries).

Why should they? They've lived there far longer then the State of Israel has existed, why should they move and not the Jews?

[The God-Realm]

They can live in Israel or pack their stuff and move to Jordan(/other countries).

Why should they? They've lived there far longer then the State of Israel has existed, why should they move and not the Jews?

The Jews should live in Siberia, Russia set aside a spot just for them.

[North Stradia]

Peacefully.

Noble means, I agree. But how, specifically?

Tell them that ALL sanctions and blockades will be lifted if a fair, free, internationally observed election is allowed to take place.

Just an idea.

[Shofercia]

Noble means, I agree. But how, specifically?

Tell them that ALL sanctions and blockades will be lifted if a fair, free, internationally observed election is allowed to take place.

Just an idea.

And both, the governments of Egypt and Israel will jump for joy and agree wholeheartedly with this proposal, right?

[Souseiseki]

Here's my opinion.



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



Hamas has an 83% disapproval rating in Gaza. But Hamas has banned elections.




YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS



You can't end something that never existed in the first place.




Hamas has BANNED elections. The only place in the middle east where Palestinians can vote is Israel.





The official Palestinian constitution states that any Jew found in Palestine would be put to death. And Israel would not exist.




They were offered that. There response was KILL THE JEWS.

tell us more about your support for settelments

are the west bank still KILL THE JEWS

[Sulamalik]

Noble means, I agree. But how, specifically?

Tell them that ALL sanctions and blockades will be lifted if a fair, free, internationally observed election is allowed to take place.

Just an idea.

Hamas is the democratically elected government in Gaza, though. The majority of Palestians in the city support the Islamists if I recall my Al Jazeera/Wikipedia studies correctly, which I most likely didn't.

[Saruhan]

Why should they? They've lived there far longer then the State of Israel has existed, why should they move and not the Jews?

The Jews should live in Siberia, Russia set aside a spot just for them.

Honestly, I don't get how most solutions inevitable lead to one group of people moving. How about we go with the novel fucking idea of just letting people living in peace and negotiating like fucking civilised people for once?

[Shofercia]

The Jews should live in Siberia, Russia set aside a spot just for them.

Honestly, I don't get how most solutions inevitable lead to one group of people moving. How about we go with the novel fucking idea of just letting people living in peace and negotiating like fucking civilised people for once?

Because then there'd be no possibility to bomb people in the name of Human Rights! Duh!

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

...yes?

How about fucking no mass genocide of an entire ethnic group thank you very much. Palestine Exists. Palestinians Exist. They will continue to Exist. So deal with that fact.

Or. If you do want them dead, go get a gun and start killing, or get the IDF to do so, either way lets see how long you peace plan lasts in practice.

I'm not biased, I'd just kill all the humans.

That's the only way I see this thing coming to an end.

So, in an obviously roundabout way, I'm saying I really don't see a solution to the Is-Pan crisis (trademarked).

It's just a fucking deadlock until something radical and unexpected changes the game, so we might as well not even fake like we have solutions.

[The Huskar Social Union]

(Palestinians) It is their ancient homeland as well, they want part of that land to be theirs entirely, you know the areas where their people live. They are entitled to have their home, as are the Israelis.

They can live in Israel or pack their stuff and move to Jordan(/other countries).

How about no, Its their land as well, they want some of it back for themselves, they deserve it. So no they should not leave for other countries, they should have their own.

(Secularists) They are entitled to speak their opinions and state positions,

I am no saying they are not entitled to that.

Really? you attitude suggests it, you know the whole leave if you dont like it scenario you have in mind.

...as does anyone in the so called only functional democracy of the Middle east. So no they should not leave for another country if they want their home to be secular. They will state that they want it to be so.

Sorry, but I do not respect view points supporting the (total) dismantling of the inherent Jewish nature of the State of Israel.[/quote]
So wanting a secular community that is not ruled over by a single religion but instead representing all is destroying jewish culture and the Israeli state? Please, that's a load of crap. If we use that Logic then every Christian Nation that became secular destroyed Christianity and thus the Holy See is the only Christian State in the world because all others have destroyed their values and traditions for accepting other religions into their society.

[Saruhan]

Honestly, I don't get how most solutions inevitable lead to one group of people moving. How about we go with the novel fucking idea of just letting people living in peace and negotiating like fucking civilised people for once?

Because then there'd be no possibility to bomb people in the name of Human Rights! Duh!

Our freedom will blow you away

[Shofercia]

Because then there'd be no possibility to bomb people in the name of Human Rights! Duh!

Our freedom will blow you away

Touche, mucho touche good sir

[Shofercia]

Honestly, I don't get how most solutions inevitable lead to one group of people moving. How about we go with the novel fucking idea of just letting people living in peace and negotiating like fucking civilised people for once?

On a more serious note - do what Dagestan does - have each ethnic group represented in Parliament, where each group can stop all of the other groups from acting. Trust me, once their constituents start lacking things like food, they'll start getting along rather quickly. Case in point - Dagestan.

[Volnotova]

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

If there is no Palestine alot of Arabs will suffer.

I do not deny that their are (practically) racist (anti-Arab) elements within Israeli society, of course we can cut down on that.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

i dunno man, i don't think people will be happy with your "fuck you palestine" plan

Let's assume for a moment that (most) Palestinians (in general) just want to live their lifes in peace.

Is a Palestinian state a requirement for that? No.

The proposal goes as follows: They will be offered (a form of) Israeli citizenship in return for accepting and affirming the Jewish nature of the State of Israel (and of course, abiding by its laws).

Of course it will be widely opposed, why? Because this isn't about "Palestine" this is about destroying Israel (mostly), and preferably purging the region of (any) Jewish influences.

You think the conflict will end with a Palestinian state? It won't. It won't end even if every settlement is razed and Israel returns to 1967 borders. It won't end even if Israel concedes the entirety of east and west Jerusalem. It won't end even if ALL territories with a Palestinian/Muslim Arab plurality are handed over to the Palestinian authorities.

This conflict will end when either of the two parties simply seize to exist in their entirety.

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

Yes because there will still be Palestinians.

*Arabs (mostly)

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

Well, there is Palestine.

States cannot be made to seize to exist?

If there is no Palestine then there is no need for a peace agreement, now is there?

So kill all the Palestinians and salt the earth with their remains?

I do not advocate genocide.

[Republic of Neighpal]

israel and palestine are not mutually exclusive to each other. the main problem is netanyahu's right-wing conglomerate that range from just anti palestine to jewish nazis who'd rather prefer that palestinians just be wiped out en masse.

i'd also say oust hamas from power in gaza but since the UN doesn't have a pair of balls in the entire organization, that's a moot point.

wierdly enough, the israeli elections just finished and the right-wing and left-wing parties bath have exactly 60 seats in the 120 member parliament.

[Saruhan]

Our freedom will blow you away

Touche, mucho touche good sir

You have no idea how long i've stored that particular gem up there

[Shofercia]

Touche, mucho touche good sir

You have no idea how long i've stored that particular gem up there

For what it's worth, I fell off my chair laughing. And judging by how I-P threads go on NSG, that's likely to be the highlight of the thread

[The Huskar Social Union]

So kill all the Palestinians and salt the earth with their remains?

I do not advocate genocide.

Well Palestine is only going to disappear in one way. If all of the Palestinians are dead. So your statement of if there is no Palestine there is no need for a peace agreement suggests otherwise.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Tell them that ALL sanctions and blockades will be lifted if a fair, free, internationally observed election is allowed to take place.

Just an idea.

Hamas is the democratically elected government in Gaza, though. The majority of Palestians in the city support the Islamists if I recall my Al Jazeera/Wikipedia studies correctly, which I most likely didn't.

Hamas is at an 83% disapproval rating in Gaza. THey were elected and then BANNED voting.

[Saruhan]

Hamas is the democratically elected government in Gaza, though. The majority of Palestians in the city support the Islamists if I recall my Al Jazeera/Wikipedia studies correctly, which I most likely didn't.

Hamas is at an 83% disapproval rating in Gaza. THey were elected and then BANNED voting.

Sauce for that pasta?

[Sulamalik]

Hamas is the democratically elected government in Gaza, though. The majority of Palestians in the city support the Islamists if I recall my Al Jazeera/Wikipedia studies correctly, which I most likely didn't.

Hamas is at an 83% disapproval rating in Gaza. THey were elected and then BANNED voting.

Cool,

I hate for the cliche, but could I get a link for that 83% stat?

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Why should they? They've lived there far longer then the State of Israel has existed, why should they move and not the Jews?

The Jews should live in Siberia, Russia set aside a spot just for them.

That's what Hitler said in order to pull off the Holocaust.
That's what you say in order to pull off "insert the answer here".

[Volnotova]

tell us more about your support for settelments

are the west bank still KILL THE JEWS

If it was up to many among the Palestinian(/Arab) there would be no more Jews in the Levant.

Really? you attitude suggests it, you know the whole leave if you dont like it scenario you have in mind.

I said they are entitled to their opinions, not that I respect those.

So wanting a secular community that is not ruled over by a single religion but instead representing all is destroying jewish culture and the Israeli state? Please, that's a load of crap. If we use that Logic then every Christian Nation that became secular destroyed Christianity and thus the Holy See is the only Christian State in the world because all others have destroyed their values and traditions for accepting other religions into their society.

They (those that want to see Israel turned into a secular state, and thus in principle not a Jewish one) want exactly that.

Sorry, but I have seen the wonders of multiculturalism and secularism in the west, I am not saying it is bad, but I do not want to see it happening in Israel. If we willingly reject our principles, our believes, our culture for the sake of accomodating people that very well could just move to other countries (including in the region) then we might as pull the plug entirely.

There are dozens of secularist nations out there, including arab ones.

Yet there is only one (oficially) Jewish state.

[Shofercia]

Hamas is at an 83% disapproval rating in Gaza. THey were elected and then BANNED voting.

Sauce for that pasta?

Hamas is at an 83% disapproval rating in Gaza. THey were elected and then BANNED voting.

Cool,

I hate for the cliche, but could I get a link for that 83% stat?

You might hate cliche, but what's your opinion on Ninjas?

[Saruhan]

Sauce for that pasta?

Cool,

I hate for the cliche, but could I get a link for that 83% stat?

You might hate cliche, but what's your opinion on Ninjas?

Damn colonials, dressing up in black 'n shit