Israel-Palestine conflict

[Gravlen]

First, detached from reality? Explain.

Second, I dont believe he hates the United States. He never has stated any hate towards the country.

Third, How is Sweden anti-Israel?

Fourth, you act exactly like your last sentence. He does not.

Actually Sweden is frighteningly anti-Israel, to the point of near antisemitism. Norway as well. The large amount of Muslims and the even larger amount of leftists and so called antifascists have absolutely wrecked the Jewish community there.

Define "frighteningly anti-Israel, to the point of near antisemitism".

From 2012:



Also, good thing you stopped short of antisemitism...

The results confirm that stereotypical notions of Jews do exist in Norwegian society. Overall, 12.5 per
cent of the population can be considered significantly prejudiced against Jews. Thus, in a European context,
the prevalence of antisemitic notions in Norway is limited and on a par with Great Britain, the Netherlands,
Denmark and Sweden.

The prevalence of anti-Semitic attitudes are relatively low in Norway compared with countries in Central, Eastern and Southern Europe. Norway thus belong alongside other north-west European countries such as Britain, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden.
http://www.hlsenteret.no/aktuelt/2012/HL_Rapport_2012_web.pdf

Of 10 European countries surveyed, Norway scored second lowest in the overall ratings (page 9) based on how many people responded “probably true” to at least 3 of the following traditional anti-Semitic stereotypes:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets.
4) Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust

[DogDoo 7]

The old libel about Organ harvesting.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-deno ... e-1.282367

What does the word "libel" mean again?

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Damn the anti Israeli UK, they should have stopped that article from being published!

Wow that's fucked up. I mean, it's no worse than running secret experiments on prisoners in the US, except "we" stopped doing that a few decades before "we" stopped doing this.

[Ashkland]

there is no discrimination of the arabs! however, the arabs do discriminate against us.

There's actually quite a bit of discrimination against Arabs within Israel, sadly.

Oh divair! Are you a self-hating jew? There is no discrimination AGAINST arabs, but in FAVOUR of them.
Hmmmmm........... Your are one of those lunatic people voting Hadash?

[DogDoo 7]

There's actually quite a bit of discrimination against Arabs within Israel, sadly.

Oh divair! Are you a self-hating jew? There is no discrimination AGAINST arabs, but in FAVOUR of them.
Hmmmmm........... Your are one of those lunatic people voting Hadash?

He voted Meretz (cuz he's a closet Zionist ). I voted Hadash. Spend some time going between Sakhnin and Carmi'el and get back to me about that discrimination in favor of the Arabs. Note, I am not opposed to mandatory national service for all citizens, which is what I'm assuming your retort will be, but there are a lot of things that should take precedence, and frankly, if we're going to define this place as a "Jewish State" and effectively exclude 30% of the voting population from the national project, then why should we act surprised when they develop their own social and economic structure outside the state?

[Ralkovia]

The old libel about Organ harvesting.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-deno ... e-1.282367

What does the word "libel" mean again?

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Damn the anti Israeli UK, they should have stopped that article from being published!

Palestinians, and others.

It meant Jews as well. Israel took organs from everybody.

The aftenbladt article like the Guardian article fails to mention that.

[Larban]

Do you think that there could be a reccurence of the short period of increased tension like happened last November between Israel and Gaza? Especially now with the suggested collapse of the state of Egypt according to their Army Chief.

[Divair]

Oh divair! Are you a self-hating jew? There is no discrimination AGAINST arabs, but in FAVOUR of them.

Prove it.

Hmmmmm........... Your are one of those lunatic people voting Hadash?

I hardly consider people voting Hadash lunatics, but that's off-topic and borderline flaming on your part. I'm not old enough to vote, nor would I vote for Hadash if I could.

[Divair]

Guys guys guys, we're going about this all wrong. To defeat the Zionists we needn't relocate Israel to Siberia, all that is necessary is to let time pass, and let the demographics of the country itself tear the Jewish state asunder.

The propagation of Greater Israel will be the death of Jewish Israel!

Takbir
Allahu Akbar
takbir
Allahu Akbar

(Kidding)

Actually, I'm tempted to agree with Divair's 3 state plan. Give the Palestinians a state. Give the Secular Jews a state. And give the Orthodox Jews a state. Everyone is happy then.

Crazyland wouldn't have just the ultra-Orthodox, but also the ultra-Islamist. That way, we end up with two prosperous, secular states, and one hole full of crazy people.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

2000 Jews in the middle of nowhere does not a Jewish Autonomous Oblast make. However, we'd be quite willing to trade.

Nope. There's already an area set aside for the Palestinians. It's located between Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.

No. The Palestinians all live in Jordan and Gaza. Israel needs to retake Gaza and the Palestinians need to return to their homeland of Jordan.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Islam isn't as nearly united as people make it out to be. Saudi Arabian are well known to abuse their Asian Muslim housemaids. Etc. etc. They're just as racist as anyone else. Perhaps even more so.

The Saudis treast the Palestinians like slaves but you'll NEVER hear that from the Jew hating "Pro-Palestine movement".

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Palestine....can be Palestine....just some where else!!! everybody wins!!!

Palestine is also called Jordan.

[Souseiseki]

Islam isn't as nearly united as people make it out to be. Saudi Arabian are well known to abuse their Asian Muslim housemaids. Etc. etc. They're just as racist as anyone else. Perhaps even more so.

The Saudis treast the Palestinians like slaves but you'll NEVER hear that from the Jew hating "Pro-Palestine movement".

can you find me a pro-palestinian poster here who won't say saudi arabia is kinda bad

can you find me a pro-palestinain poster here who will bend over backwards to defend saudi arabia and say they're the greatest country in the middles east and aaaaaaaaaaaa *splooge*

[Knask]

What does the word "libel" mean again?

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Damn the anti Israeli UK, they should have stopped that article from being published!

Palestinians, and others.

It meant Jews as well. Israel took organs from everybody.

The aftenbladt article like the Guardian article fails to mention that.

Ah, so it's an old libel when it's true, is that what you're saying?

Because "they didn't only do it to Palestinians, they did it to others as well" doesn't mean that the claim "They did it to Palestinians" is wrong/false/libel, nor does it make it any better.

In fact, since the jewish state of Israel illegally harvested organs from jews, it surely is worse.

Edit: Also, how does the guardian article fail to mention that Israel took organs from others when it says "from dead Palestinians, and others"?

[Ralkovia]

Palestinians, and others.

It meant Jews as well. Israel took organs from everybody.

The aftenbladt article like the Guardian article fails to mention that.

Ah, so it's an old libel when it's true, is that what you're saying?

Because "they didn't only do it to Palestinians, they did it to others as well" doesn't mean that the claim "They did it to Palestinians" is wrong/false/libel, nor does it make it any better.

In fact, since the jewish state of Israel illegally harvested organs from jews, it surely is worse.

Edit: Also, how does the guardian article fail to mention that Israel took organs from others when it says "from dead Palestinians, and others"?

The Aftenbladt article followed like this
A) They shot palestinians to harvest their organs
B) Just did it to Palestinians.

In reality, they took organs from the dead for use in the living. They didn't purposefully go around stealing organs.
They did it to both sides.

If your building up to Israel is a genocidal, racist government; you've got your points lined up nice and neat.

Palestinians, and others. Others....

Jews. Others. Jews. Others.
Even if he was trying to save letters, the fact that he said Palestinians, and others. And didn't clarify who "others" were is slightly ridiculous and leaves it to reader to imagine who "Others" were.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

The Saudis treast the Palestinians like slaves but you'll NEVER hear that from the Jew hating "Pro-Palestine movement".

can you find me a pro-palestinian poster here who won't say saudi arabia is kinda bad

can you find me a pro-palestinain poster here who will bend over backwards to defend saudi arabia and say they're the greatest country in the middles east and aaaaaaaaaaaa *splooge*

So you don't think it's fair to look at the treatment of Palestinians in the rest of the middle east? Everyone talks about the "Israel is an Aparteid state" yet they are suddenly silent when Israel's neighbors are doing exactly that.

[Sulamalik]

can you find me a pro-palestinian poster here who won't say saudi arabia is kinda bad

can you find me a pro-palestinain poster here who will bend over backwards to defend saudi arabia and say they're the greatest country in the middles east and aaaaaaaaaaaa *splooge*

So you don't think it's fair to look at the treatment of Palestinians in the rest of the middle east? Everyone talks about the "Israel is an Aparteid state" yet they are suddenly silent when Israel's neighbors are doing exactly that.

Who is, "everyone"?

[Gravlen]

Ah, so it's an old libel when it's true, is that what you're saying?

Because "they didn't only do it to Palestinians, they did it to others as well" doesn't mean that the claim "They did it to Palestinians" is wrong/false/libel, nor does it make it any better.

In fact, since the jewish state of Israel illegally harvested organs from jews, it surely is worse.

Edit: Also, how does the guardian article fail to mention that Israel took organs from others when it says "from dead Palestinians, and others"?

The Aftenbladt article followed like this
A) They shot palestinians to harvest their organs
B) Just did it to Palestinians.

Actually, no, it didn't. The Aftonbladet article went like this:

A) They shot a Palestinian.
B) He was kept in an unknown location for several days. When his body was returned, it was clear that it had been opened.
C) Questions are asked as to what has happened to the body and why. It is said that the family and friends of the deceased speculate on if his organs have been harvested.
D) The IDF denies stealing organs. The IDF claims every Palestinian killed go through an autopsy.
E) Author claims the numbers don't add up, since only 69 of the 133 Palestinians killed that year has been autopsied.
F) Questions remain and an investigation into this matter is needed.

This all took place as campaign to get more organ donations took place in Israel. And it also took place, as the Guardian article says, while Israel was illegally harvesting organs from people - including Palestinians.

They did it to both sides.

I underlined the important part concerning your claim of libel.

[Ashkland]

Oh divair! Are you a self-hating jew? There is no discrimination AGAINST arabs, but in FAVOUR of them.
Hmmmmm........... Your are one of those lunatic people voting Hadash?

He voted Meretz (cuz he's a closet Zionist ). I voted Hadash. Spend some time going between Sakhnin and Carmi'el and get back to me about that discrimination in favor of the Arabs. Note, I am not opposed to mandatory national service for all citizens, which is what I'm assuming your retort will be, but there are a lot of things that should take precedence, and frankly, if we're going to define this place as a "Jewish State" and effectively exclude 30% of the voting population from the national project, then why should we act surprised when they develop their own social and economic structure outside the state?

No, no, no, first, I don't want all citizens to be in the army (Sorry, but I don't trust arabs with a gun), and not even national service, the reason for that is that, this is a JEWISH state, that mean that if I could choose, I would throw away parts A and B of Judea and Samaria and the triangle, and the rest of the arabs will live there, in THEIR country.
Now, your not the poor guy, but, in fact, we are, have you noticed there are guarded seats in parties ESPECIALLY for arabs in jewish parties? But you won't find any guarded seats espacially for jews in arab parties.
Now, please, look at the truth.

[DogDoo 7]

Actually, I'm tempted to agree with Divair's 3 state plan. Give the Palestinians a state. Give the Secular Jews a state. And give the Orthodox Jews a state. Everyone is happy then.

Crazyland wouldn't have just the ultra-Orthodox, but also the ultra-Islamist. That way, we end up with two prosperous, secular states, and one hole full of crazy people.

Why can't the secular Israelis and secular Palestinians share a state? They already share a city, and it's the best place here. And the fundamentalist Jews and fundamentalist Muslims also already "share" a city. Haifa >>> Hebron.

[Divair]

Crazyland wouldn't have just the ultra-Orthodox, but also the ultra-Islamist. That way, we end up with two prosperous, secular states, and one hole full of crazy people.

Why can't the secular Israelis and secular Palestinians share a state? They already share a city, and it's the best place here. And the fundamentalist Jews and fundamentalist Muslims also already "share" a city. Haifa >>> Hebron.

The initial plan is to establish two states for secular people, but if a referendum finds the secular people to be in favour of one state, I have no problem with revising it to one state for secular people.

[Ashkland]

Crazyland wouldn't have just the ultra-Orthodox, but also the ultra-Islamist. That way, we end up with two prosperous, secular states, and one hole full of crazy people.

Why can't the secular Israelis and secular Palestinians share a state? They already share a city, and it's the best place here. And the fundamentalist Jews and fundamentalist Muslims also already "share" a city. Haifa >>> Hebron.

If there will be a 3 state solution, where there is secular yet not jewish (because it will be shared with arabs) and a "crazy" jewish ultra-ortodox state than would prefer to live in the "crazy" country, because it is supposed to be my country, not a country of "everyone", (And I'm an atheist), you arabs have 22 countries, I have barely 1. So please................

[DogDoo 7]

He voted Meretz (cuz he's a closet Zionist ). I voted Hadash. Spend some time going between Sakhnin and Carmi'el and get back to me about that discrimination in favor of the Arabs. Note, I am not opposed to mandatory national service for all citizens, which is what I'm assuming your retort will be, but there are a lot of things that should take precedence, and frankly, if we're going to define this place as a "Jewish State" and effectively exclude 30% of the voting population from the national project, then why should we act surprised when they develop their own social and economic structure outside the state?

No, no, no, first, I don't want all citizens to be in the army (Sorry, but I don't trust arabs with a gun), and not even national service, the reason for that is that, this is a JEWISH state, that mean that if I could choose, I would throw away parts A and B of Judea and Samaria and the triangle, and the rest of the arabs will live there, in THEIR country.
Now, your not the poor guy, but, in fact, we are, have you noticed there are guarded seats in parties ESPECIALLY for arabs in jewish parties? But you won't find any guarded seats espacially for jews in arab parties.
Now, please, look at the truth.

You know that Hadash is considered to be an "Arab party" (even though they market themselves as B'Yachad) and they reserve seats for Jews. And generally Arab (usually Druze) members of Jewish parties are either marginalized or some sort of fig leaf. I don't support any of this btw. And have you looked at a geopolitical map of the West Bank and Gaza recently? How the hell can you propose to annex Area C and call the remaining parts a country? You can drive for maybe 10 km maximum before having to cross Area C. You can talk to me about truth once you've looked at the facts.

Also, can someone explain to me how so many Jews can profess to be socially democratic liberals and then turn into raging ethno-supremacist nationalists the second someone mentions Israel?

[Divair]

Why can't the secular Israelis and secular Palestinians share a state? They already share a city, and it's the best place here. And the fundamentalist Jews and fundamentalist Muslims also already "share" a city. Haifa >>> Hebron.

If there will be a 3 state solution, where there is secular yet not jewish (because it will be shared with arabs) and a "crazy" jewish ultra-ortodox state than would prefer to live in the "crazy" country, because it is supposed to be my country, not a country of "everyone", (And I'm an atheist), you arabs have 22 countries, I have barely 1. So please................

So you can go live there. That's the entire purpose of Crazyland. Satisfies the religious/nationalist needs of the ultra-Orthodox and all their pals.

[Ashkland]

No, no, no, first, I don't want all citizens to be in the army (Sorry, but I don't trust arabs with a gun), and not even national service, the reason for that is that, this is a JEWISH state, that mean that if I could choose, I would throw away parts A and B of Judea and Samaria and the triangle, and the rest of the arabs will live there, in THEIR country.
Now, your not the poor guy, but, in fact, we are, have you noticed there are guarded seats in parties ESPECIALLY for arabs in jewish parties? But you won't find any guarded seats espacially for jews in arab parties.
Now, please, look at the truth.

You know that Hadash is considered to be an "Arab party" (even though they market themselves as B'Yachad) and they reserve seats for Jews. And generally Arab (usually Druze) members of Jewish parties are either marginalized or some sort of fig leaf. I don't support any of this btw. And have you looked at a geopolitical map of the West Bank and Gaza recently? How the hell can you propose to annex Area C and call the remaining parts a country? You can drive for maybe 10 km maximum before having to cross Area C. You can talk to me about truth once you've looked at the facts.

Also, can someone explain to me how so many Jews can profess to be socially democratic liberals and then turn into raging ethno-supremacist nationalists the second someone mentions Israel?

Ummm... First of all I never said I was social-democratic liberal, because I'm none of them, In fact, on politicaltest(dot)net I got 85% nationalist. (only 3% of the people doing the test are more nationalist than me).
Anyways, hadash is pretty much a party of both, unlike arab parties, in theory they want a country of both arab and jews, while arab parties are officaly anti-israeli, and there are jews at the party like Dov Hanin.
But in raam taal, or balad, there will be no jews, right? But at meretz, which is a jewish party, will have arabs, and also labour party.
And just saying, do you really think, that if I would banish jews from their homes in order to create an arab country? If the arabs will want to make a country than they will make it where THEY are the majority.
Good day.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

So you don't think it's fair to look at the treatment of Palestinians in the rest of the middle east? Everyone talks about the "Israel is an Aparteid state" yet they are suddenly silent when Israel's neighbors are doing exactly that.

Who is, "everyone"?

The Anti-Israel Movement.