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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:39 pm

Sophian wrote:It is interesting that one lady on a news station said a nurse who worked at the school stated that Nancy Lanza was a Kindergarten teacher at the school, although law enforcement later stated that Nancy Lanza did not work at the school. It is also interesting that some grown man in camouflage attire supposedly fled into woods near the crime scene, and felt the need to defend his innocence in whatever happened. I don't really know what happened. I understand the perspective of those that believe there were some fishy inconsistencies about the details of the crime in the national media, and I understand the perspective of those who believe the national media is an infallible source of truth... even though national media seemed to contradict itself when describing what exactly happened at Sandy Hook.

welcome to a tragic event, the media, goes with whatever it has at the moment and runs with it




also I want to know what the deficit is in reality with all the bribes that these conspiricy's would need to survive.

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Postby Maruspinia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:40 pm

NO!!! That is only what they want you to think. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:41 pm

Sophian wrote:It is interesting that one lady on a news station said a nurse who worked at the school stated that Nancy Lanza was a Kindergarten teacher at the school, although law enforcement later stated that Nancy Lanza did not work at the school. It is also interesting that some grown man in camouflage attire supposedly fled into woods near the crime scene, and felt the need to defend his innocence in whatever happened. I don't really know what happened. I understand the perspective of those that believe there were some fishy inconsistencies about the details of the crime in the national media, and I understand the perspective of those who believe the national media is an infallible source of truth... even though national media seemed to contradict itself when describing what exactly happened at Sandy Hook.

So, basically, Adam Lanza has a clone and is also a shapeshifting Changeling? Or am I wrong?

On a more serious note, even considering that the Newtown shooting maybe could have been a government conspiracy puts you in the same boat as the OP.
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Postby Azrael » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:42 pm

Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:Conspiracies are not silly. They all, well most, make perfect sense

Rational Wiki wrote:The Codex Alimentarius is a plan to poison us all.
It is only a matter of time before "they" start implanting RFID chips in humans.[1] (As described in the movie Conspiracy Theory starring Mel Gibson.)
The Moon Landing was a hoax.
All scientists are trying to foist the false theory of Evolution on the public at the behest of Satan.
Global warming is a hoax created by the UN and politically funded scientists/environmentalists, aided by Al Gore and many others to put cap and trade in place for monetary gain. See also: Climategate.
AIDS was created by the CIA and deliberately spread by the WHO via polio inoculations in Africa, to reduce the world population.
All scientists and politicians are trying to cover up:
cold fusion.
that AIDS is not caused by HIV infection.
that mercury in the vaccines is causing autism.
The United States is hiding UFO wreckage at Area 51.
The UFO wreckage theory is used as a smokescreen by the government to cover up the fact that Area 51 is a testing ground for experimental aircraft.
The United States Department of Defense (DOD) is experimenting with:
ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) for communications and possibly mind control.
HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) for possible use in "weather control" as a weapon.
Green M&Ms (or in Canada, Smarties) contain aphrodisiacs.[2]
The "Scalar Interferometer" is a powerful scalar wave superweapon that the Soviet Union used for years to modify weather in the rest of the world. See [1], [2]. It taps the quantum vacuum energy, using a method discovered by T. Henry Moray in the 1920s. It may have brought down the Columbia spacecraft [3]. See also [4].
Water fluoridation is part of an insidious Communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.
The "Russian woodpecker" over-the-horizon radar signals heard on shortwave radio are actually a Soviet mind control experiment. You can protect your brain by wearing you-know-what.
The Earth is hollow, with a hole to the "underworld" located in the Arctic regions, protected by the world's superpowers, or flat, with an army of supersoldiers guarding the ice wall around the outside.
The mass die-offs of honeybees are attributable to megacorporation's desire to control the food supply.
The US government is operating a Stargate program and that the Iraq War may have been caused because Saddam Hussein had one.[3]
That ample evidence of alien life and civilization exists in our solar system, but is covered up by NASA. See Mars Anomaly Research.
Gravity -- the biggest conspiracy of them all. The only way to defy it, is for everyone to stop believing it. That's why birds can fly, no bird believes in it.
Revolutionary free energy technology is being suppressed by governments and the oil industry.
It is possible to power a normal car with plain water.
Similarly, big oil and big science are conspiring to cover up methods of generating abiotic oil.
The "cure" for cancer actually exists but is being suppressed by the government.

Not a good track record, so far.
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Postby Minarchist States Of Equality » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:44 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Sophian wrote:It is interesting that one lady on a news station said a nurse who worked at the school stated that Nancy Lanza was a Kindergarten teacher at the school, although law enforcement later stated that Nancy Lanza did not work at the school. It is also interesting that some grown man in camouflage attire supposedly fled into woods near the crime scene, and felt the need to defend his innocence in whatever happened. I don't really know what happened. I understand the perspective of those that believe there were some fishy inconsistencies about the details of the crime in the national media, and I understand the perspective of those who believe the national media is an infallible source of truth... even though national media seemed to contradict itself when describing what exactly happened at Sandy Hook.

welcome to a tragic event, the media, goes with whatever it has at the moment and runs with it




also I want to know what the deficit is in reality with all the bribes that these conspiricy's would need to survive.

I like this guy he acknowledges the faults of the media and the possibility of a conspiracy. He makes good statements for both sides.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:45 pm

Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:welcome to a tragic event, the media, goes with whatever it has at the moment and runs with it




also I want to know what the deficit is in reality with all the bribes that these conspiricy's would need to survive.

I like this guy he acknowledges the faults of the media and the possibility of a conspiracy. He makes good statements for both sides.

He doesn't, actually.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:46 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:I like this guy he acknowledges the faults of the media and the possibility of a conspiracy. He makes good statements for both sides.

He doesn't, actually.
Can you...read?

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Postby Azrael » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:49 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:I like this guy he acknowledges the faults of the media and the possibility of a conspiracy. He makes good statements for both sides.

He doesn't, actually.
Can you...read?

Of course he can, he's smarter than all of us. Obviously, the two are sending secret coded messages so that cyborg-Hitler's secret webspies won't be able to discover that this guy knows their secrets.
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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:49 pm

Azrael wrote:
Rational Wiki wrote:It is possible to power a normal car with plain water.

I would love to watch someone try that one out.

I would point and laugh, very hard.

Because they fail at even the basics of how a car works.
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Postby Sophian » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:50 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Sophian wrote:It is interesting that one lady on a news station said a nurse who worked at the school stated that Nancy Lanza was a Kindergarten teacher at the school, although law enforcement later stated that Nancy Lanza did not work at the school.

Are you aware that almost every major breaking news story will have inconsistencies as all the news agencies compete with each other and interview anyone who will listen to try one-up the other?
And always, a whole lot of inconsistencies crop up, and then generally get tamped down as commonalities and sureties emerge.
Sophian wrote: It is also interesting that some grown man in camouflage attire supposedly fled into woods near the crime scene, and felt the need to defend his innocence in whatever happened.

Source that, and it doesn't exactly sound like a smoking gun anyway.
Sophian wrote:I understand the perspective of those that believe there were some fishy inconsistencies about the details of the crime in the national media, and I understand the perspective of those who believe the national media is an infallible source of truth... even though national media seemed to contradict itself when describing what exactly happened at Sandy Hook.

Nobody ever said the national media was infallible. You are projecting. Your bias is showing.
The fact of the matter is, the conspiracy theories are bullshit.
And the media contradicts itself constantly at first with stories like these, for the above reasons.


The fact of the matter is, you do not know what happened, and none of us will really know what happened because we weren't there. The fact of the matter is, you do not really know what conspiracy theories are legitimate & which are not, and most of us will never really know the truth regardless of how much we speculate. Though, if automatically assuming that a conspiracy could not possibly ever prevail satisfies you, satisfy. Ignorance is bliss.

As for "Source that": Sandy Hook Mass Shooting: The Camouflage Pants Man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrhhb0B5f8
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Postby Nazis in Space » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:52 pm

The United Thingys wrote:This thread is awesome I went and read the whole thing. Gimme more bra.

I personally am not convinced that Sandy Hook was a government conspiracy. Twilight now... that's something else.
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Postby Azrael » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:52 pm

Tagmatium wrote:I would love to watch someone try that one out.

I would point and laugh, very hard.

Because they fail at even the basics of how a car works.

My favs:
  • Green M&Ms (or in Canada, Smarties) contain aphrodisiacs.
  • Gravity -- the biggest conspiracy of them all. The only way to defy it, is for everyone to stop believing it. That's why birds can fly, no bird believes in it.
  • The Codex Alimentarius is a plan to poison us all.
  • The "Russian woodpecker" over-the-horizon radar signals heard on shortwave radio are actually a Soviet mind control experiment. You can protect your brain by wearing you-know-what.
  • It is possible to power a normal car with plain water.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:54 pm

Azrael wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:I would love to watch someone try that one out.

I would point and laugh, very hard.

Because they fail at even the basics of how a car works.

My favs:
  • Gravity -- the biggest conspiracy of them all. The only way to defy it, is for everyone to stop believing it. That's why birds can fly, no bird believes in it.

Penguins, emus, and ostriches clearly debunk this theory. :geek:
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:56 pm

Sophian wrote:
The fact of the matter is, you do not know what happened, and none of us will really know what happened because we weren't there.

The same applies to you, you know.
And yes, if numerous sources come to the same conclusions, consensus can be reached as to events. This is generally how this sort of thing works.
Otherwise, we're simply being babies and refusing to believe that anything exists beyond our field of vision.
Sophian wrote: The fact of the matter is, you do not really know what conspiracy theories are legitimate & which are not, and none us will really know the truth regardless of how much we speculate.

Yeak, but by judging the "evidence" these theorists bring to the table (as presumably, these are the best arguments they can offer), we can deduce the overall validity of the theory.
In this case? There isn't even really any evidence to bring to the table, much less "good" evidence.
Most of the theorists seem to be like the OP - relying entirely on (probably fabricated) circumstantial evidence, not seeing the big picture, and fundamentally misunderstanding how the political system works in the case of "banning guns".
And this leads one to the conclusion that the theory is fatally flawed, if that's the best they can offer.
Sophian wrote: Though, if automatically assuming that a conspiracy could not possibly ever prevail satisfies you, satisfy.

Again, I never said that. Strawmen don't constitute an argument.

Sophian wrote: Ignorance is bliss.

Did you know that ignorant people believe conspiracies too?! I know, crazy! Indeed, I would say that judging by the conspiracies, a whole LOT of ignorant people believe them.
Anyway, if all you can do is call me an ignorant sheep in lieu of actual evidence, I don't feel too bad about completely disregarding your opinion.
Sophian wrote:As for "Source that": Sandy Hook Mass Shooting: The Camouflage Pants Man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrhhb0B5f8

So...what?
Hardly a smoking gun, that.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:57 pm

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Azrael wrote:My favs:
  • Gravity -- the biggest conspiracy of them all. The only way to defy it, is for everyone to stop believing it. That's why birds can fly, no bird believes in it.

Penguins, emus, and ostriches clearly debunk this theory. :geek:

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Postby Sophian » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:58 pm

I think the real conspiracy is that U.S. elections & laws are bought through campaign finance, marketing, and media influence. The real conspiracy is that corporations are considered people, and they can spend an unlimited amount of money to fund, advertise, & market political candidates who will help them increase their profits even it is against the best interest of most of the general population of the country.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:58 pm

Sophian wrote:I think the real conspiracy is that U.S. elections & laws are bought through campaign finance, marketing, and media influence. The real conspiracy is that corporations are considered people, and they can spend an unlimited amount of money to fund, advertise, & market political candidates who will help them increase their profits even it is against the best interest of most of the general population of the country.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...abandoning previous argument in favor of a threadjack.
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Postby Azrael » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:59 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Sophian wrote:I think the real conspiracy is that U.S. elections & laws are bought through campaign finance, marketing, and media influence. The real conspiracy is that corporations are considered people, and they can spend an unlimited amount of money to fund, advertise, & market political candidates who will help them increase their profits even it is against the best interest of most of the general population of the country.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...abandoning previous argument in favor of a threadjack.
Well done.

This thread needs more conspiracy.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:00 pm

Sophian wrote:I think the real conspiracy is that U.S. elections & laws are bought through campaign finance, marketing, and media influence. The real conspiracy is that corporations are considered people, and they can spend an unlimited amount of money to fund, advertise, & market political candidates who will help them increase their profits even it is against the best interest of most of the general population of the country.

That's not a conspiracy. It's a fact. A horrible, undemocratic, anti-American fact, but still a fact.
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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:00 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Mkuki wrote:Penguins, emus, and ostriches clearly debunk this theory. :geek:

No, they choose to walk.

A bird chooses, a slave obeys.
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Postby Sophian » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:04 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Sophian wrote:
The fact of the matter is, you do not know what happened, and none of us will really know what happened because we weren't there.

The same applies to you, you know.
And yes, if numerous sources come to the same conclusions, consensus can be reached as to events. This is generally how this sort of thing works.
Otherwise, we're simply being babies and refusing to believe that anything exists beyond our field of vision.
Sophian wrote: The fact of the matter is, you do not really know what conspiracy theories are legitimate & which are not, and none us will really know the truth regardless of how much we speculate.

Yeak, but by judging the "evidence" these theorists bring to the table (as presumably, these are the best arguments they can offer), we can deduce the overall validity of the theory.
In this case? There isn't even really any evidence to bring to the table, much less "good" evidence.
Most of the theorists seem to be like the OP - relying entirely on (probably fabricated) circumstantial evidence, not seeing the big picture, and fundamentally misunderstanding how the political system works in the case of "banning guns".
And this leads one to the conclusion that the theory is fatally flawed, if that's the best they can offer.
Sophian wrote: Though, if automatically assuming that a conspiracy could not possibly ever prevail satisfies you, satisfy.

Again, I never said that. Strawmen don't constitute an argument.

Sophian wrote: Ignorance is bliss.

Did you know that ignorant people believe conspiracies too?! I know, crazy! Indeed, I would say that judging by the conspiracies, a whole LOT of ignorant people believe them.
Anyway, if all you can do is call me an ignorant sheep in lieu of actual evidence, I don't feel too bad about completely disregarding your opinion.
Sophian wrote:As for "Source that": Sandy Hook Mass Shooting: The Camouflage Pants Man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrhhb0B5f8

So...what?
Hardly a smoking gun, that.


The same applies to you, you know.

Yep, I know. That's why I don't pretend that I know what happened. In my previous post I described events in the national media, admitted I thought some things were perhaps ever so slightly fishy, then stated that I understand the perspective of conspiracy theorists as well as the perspective of those who believe the widely accepted contemporary media description of the crime. I did not say that I undoubtedly knew what happened, but thank you for re-affirming the obvious.
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Postby Castille de Italia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:04 pm

Minarchist States Of Equality wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:welcome to a tragic event, the media, goes with whatever it has at the moment and runs with it




also I want to know what the deficit is in reality with all the bribes that these conspiricy's would need to survive.

I like this guy he acknowledges the faults of the media and the possibility of a conspiracy. He makes good statements for both sides.

Why do I feel that it's you posting in another account?

Yes, there are conspiracies. But, to say 9/11, Sandy Hook, and JFK were. No. There was sufficient evidence there. UBL admitted to 9/11, police recovered Lanza's body and weapons, and Oswald was apprehended.

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Postby Azrael » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:06 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:There was sufficient evidence there.

Not sufficient enough for some people.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:08 pm

Castille de Italia wrote:UBL admitted to 9/11
CIA employee states 9/11 wasn't a CIA operation. Must be true.
police recovered Lanza's body and weapons
After he was shot by CIA agents to cover up their crime.
and Oswald was apprehended.
Another innocent serving as a scapegoat for the Barak Hussein Obama administration.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:13 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Castille de Italia wrote:UBL admitted to 9/11
CIA employee states 9/11 wasn't a CIA operation. Must be true.
police recovered Lanza's body and weapons
After he was shot by CIA agents to cover up their crime.
and Oswald was apprehended.
Another innocent serving as a scapegoat for the Barak Hussein Obama administration.

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