New Mexico Shooting, 5 dead, 15 year old arrested

[Esternial]

why not ban assault weapons
Speaking of which,if guns are for self defense why not make 3 round pistols ? That way mass shooters will hardly kill more than 3-6 victims before being beat down. And it works in self defense too : if you are attacked you have 3 shots to take down 3 attackers which is more than intimidating

Four attackers and you're fucked.

[Caninope]

Newer hunting rifle designs take box magazines.

Ah I see, I thought box magazines were clips.

My bad >.>

Clips generally refer to ammunition stored internally. Think M1 Garand, with that metal clip popping out on you just as you're about to nail that German Nazi SS soldier.

Box magazines would be the STANAG magazines the M16 uses.

[Esternial]

Ah I see, I thought box magazines were clips.

My bad >.>

Clips generally refer to ammunition stored internally. Think M1 Garand, with that metal clip popping out on you just as you're about to nail that German Nazi SS soldier.

Box magazines would be the STANAG magazines the M16 uses.

Thank you, I'll try to remember that

[Gun Manufacturers]

I know, I understand that like Prohibiton, if we are to ban guns or even RESTRICT them, then it's going to be a long process.

But as long as the government and people work towards it, then it'll disappear in the long run. The problem with Prohibition is that virtually no one supported it.

And few support a gun ban.

CT senator Edward Meyer wants to ban anything that has more than 1 round capacity. That's pretty damn close.

[Akadia North]

why not ban assault weapons
Speaking of which,if guns are for self defense why not make 3 round pistols ? That way mass shooters will hardly kill more than 3-6 victims before being beat down. And it works in self defense too : if you are attacked you have 3 shots to take down 3 attackers which is more than intimidating

What would banning assault weapons do when they're only the minority of total gun deaths?

Besides, if all firearms, most likely, pistols were 3 rounds, all you'd have to do is carry /more/ pistols.

[Gauthier]

why not ban assault weapons
Speaking of which,if guns are for self defense why not make 3 round pistols ? That way mass shooters will hardly kill more than 3-6 victims before being beat down. And it works in self defense too : if you are attacked you have 3 shots to take down 3 attackers which is more than intimidating

What would banning assault weapons do when they're only the minority of total gun deaths?

Besides, if all firearms, most likely, pistols were 3 rounds, all you'd have to do is carry /more/ pistols.

Background checks on purchasers and closing loopholes like the Gun Show would cut down on criminal shootings, but then there lies the problem that measures for those are cockblocked by a combined effort of the NRA and lawmakers that are graded favorably by it.

[Akadia North]

Background checks on purchasers and closing loopholes like the Gun Show would cut down on criminal shootings, but then there lies the problem that measures for those are cockblocked by a combined effort of the NRA and lawmakers that are graded favorably by it.

Yes, those options would cut down shootings but if anything, there needs to be a tighter handgun control. Again, handguns do most of the killings, not assault rifles.

[Gun Manufacturers]

why not ban assault weapons
Speaking of which,if guns are for self defense why not make 3 round pistols ? That way mass shooters will hardly kill more than 3-6 victims before being beat down. And it works in self defense too : if you are attacked you have 3 shots to take down 3 attackers which is more than intimidating

Why ban assault weapons?

There's a reason the police switched from revolvers to magazine fed semi-auto pistols: capacity. Because unlike the movies, it can take more than 1 round to stop an aggressor. There's also the fact that even the police miss their targets from time to time.

Self defense weapons need more than 3 rounds.

[Akadia North]

I like your name and flag.

[Ragnarsdomr]

Ah I see, I thought box magazines were clips.

My bad >.>

Clips generally refer to ammunition stored internally. Think M1 Garand, with that metal clip popping out on you just as you're about to nail that German Nazi SS soldier.

Box magazines would be the STANAG magazines the M16 uses.

It was my understanding that a 'clip' was simply a device used to reload a magazine (whether it's internal to the weapon or not) while a magazine was the device that stored the ammunition itself. For example, a half-moon clip for a revolver, as opposed to a ship's magazine used to store powder kegs and cannonballs.

Actually, that's a great way to think of rifles now. It's a tiny little battleship sitting in your hands!

[Caninope]

Clips generally refer to ammunition stored internally. Think M1 Garand, with that metal clip popping out on you just as you're about to nail that German Nazi SS soldier.

Box magazines would be the STANAG magazines the M16 uses.

It was my understanding that a 'clip' was simply a device used to reload a magazine (whether it's internal to the weapon or not) while a magazine was the device that stored the ammunition itself. For example, a half-moon clip for a revolver, as opposed to a ship's magazine used to store powder kegs and cannonballs.

Actually, that's a great way to think of rifles now. It's a tiny little battleship sitting in your hands!

Clips actually refer devices storing ammunition together for insertion. It's now generally referred to in cases of internal storage of ammunition.

[Blouman Empire]

No, we WON'T anally violate the document our country was founded on in an attempt to be more like countries who refuse to respect us.

I don't see why not, you've done it before and at other times ignored it.

[Blouman Empire]

This is the 99,999,999th time I've heard about a gun-shooting incident here in the US.

Seriously, USA? Ban the 2nd Amendment like all civilised nations and get over it.

If you have a problem with the United States and its Constitution you are more than welcome to leave the country.

If you have a problem with the changes, you are more then welcome to leave as well

[Blouman Empire]

I do live in the US. But I am opposed to gun violence, and I suppose I'm not allowed to advocate that?

Your opposition to gun violence is shared by all people. Literally NO ONE advocates gun violence. No, we oppose your hatred of the Constitution. You aren't allowed to advocate THAT, not if you want to continue living in the States.

Said without the least bit of irony

[Blouman Empire]

He knew the victims, didn't count.

That's not quite what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that "mass shooting" is an emotionally charged term, bringing memories of Gabby Giffords, Aurora, and Sandy Hook where crazed gunmen shot into a crowd of strangers. This wasn't the case here- it was a troubled kid killing his family. Not quite the same thing.

So three people being shot is more emotional then 5?

Anyway we have already determined what is a mass shooting and this was one

[Blouman Empire]

Where is that?

On one of these gun control threads. here it is: Make training available (in high school I guess). Upon passing the course you get issued a perpetual license that can only be revoked due to a diagnoses of mental illness, or a relevant criminal act on the part of the licensee. That license being the only thing you need to purchase, own, or carry (open or concealed) a firearm.

Define mental illness

[Blouman Empire]

This is obviously part of the US governments massive conspiracy to take away our guns.

Is it any surprise these shootings happen when a Democrat is in the whitehouse?

It's why Obama could walk around in Washington the other day he knew he wasn't going to be shot because all the mass shootings are organised by the Democrats and their people in the CIA

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

That's not quite what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is that "mass shooting" is an emotionally charged term, bringing memories of Gabby Giffords, Aurora, and Sandy Hook where crazed gunmen shot into a crowd of strangers. This wasn't the case here- it was a troubled kid killing his family. Not quite the same thing.

So three people being shot is more emotional then 5?

Anyway we have already determined what is a mass shooting and this was one

Ah.

So this is Sandy Hook 2.

Gotcha.

[Spreewerke]

OK, a question for all you "Wolverines" out there. Why do you actually need the likes of a Kalashnikov?

Because this is what my hunting location looks like:


Doubt many "traditional" sporting rifles would be able to survive crawling through a creek bottom, consisting mostly of very fine silt and clay. Kalashnikov-pattern rifle? No problem. Hard to hunt when your firearm can't go "bang."

Why do you need a gun that shoots that many bullets, that quickly, with that much power?

Because I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. So far, I don't think I've ever even loaded my 30-round magazines to their full capacity. Boxes of ammo come packed with 20 cartridges, so I tend to just keep it simple and only load them to 20 for inventory's sake. That, and 7.62x39mm is probably 1/3 (if that) powerful as .30-06: one of the most common hunting cartridges on the continent.

Do the deer in your area drive APCs? Are you at the vanguard of the zombie apocalypse? Have they started rounding people in your area up for transport to one of those FEMA prison camps Glen Beck threw a fit about a while back? Do you need to hold off the Legion of Doom while Superman is out of town?

No, but having had someone murdered on one of our properties a few months ago tends to put things into perspective. Rather than get shot in the head while trying to run away, naked, as that woman did (unfortunately), I'd rather take my rifle and put up a fight against some cracked-out drug addict that's trespassing and, you know, killing people.

[Big Jim P]

On one of these gun control threads. here it is: Make training available (in high school I guess). Upon passing the course you get issued a perpetual license that can only be revoked due to a diagnoses of mental illness, or a relevant criminal act on the part of the licensee. That license being the only thing you need to purchase, own, or carry (open or concealed) a firearm.

Define mental illness

Look it up in the medical journals.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Hard to hunt when your firearm can't go "bang."

Or worse.

[Big Jim P]

This is obviously part of the US governments massive conspiracy to take away our guns.

Is it any surprise these shootings happen when a Democrat is in the whitehouse?

It's why Obama could walk around in Washington the other day he knew he wasn't going to be shot because all the mass shootings are organised by the Democrats and their people in the CIA

Honestly, that would not surprise me in the least.

[Blouman Empire]

Define mental illness

Look it up in the medical journals.

So are we going on all medical illnesses? Even those that don't cause or have the potential to cause people to "whig" out? Or just the more serious mental illnesses? Mental illnesses as defined by the American Psychiatric Associationor or the Vatican?

Don't give vague details and then expect everyone to know what you really meant.

[Big Jim P]

Look it up in the medical journals.

So are we going on all medical illnesses? Even those that don't cause or have the potential to cause people to "whig" out? Or just the more serious mental illnesses? Mental illnesses as defined by the American Psychiatric Associationor or the Vatican?

Don't give vague details and then expect everyone to know what you really meant.

There you go.

[Spreewerke]

Since it's apparently a big deal in this thread:



Potential firearms they could be used in (left to right): AR-15, AR-15 (used with an adapter to load the magazine), GLOCK (or whatever handgun it's for: angle makes me think GLOCK), SKS (or AK mag with adapter), Ruger 10/22, M1 Garand.