Barack Obama: 4 Years In Review

[Alderis]

I had never said it wasnt... O.o

No, you're spouting nonsense now that I read what you wrote again. I mean "consulating a compound"? What the actual fuck? Do you have any idea what we're talking about here?

*sigh* I am not spouting nonsense, and yes, we are talking about the Benghazi attack. However i apparently miss-worded. *Consolidate. Does that make things better for you?

[Lessnt]

Obama screwed up at benghazi because of not placing enough security.

[Wallonochia]

al-Awlaki was an American citizen by documentation only. He clearly expressed his thoughts on America and American citizenship when he joined up with al-Qaeda, and the only reason we have this debacle is because he didn't bother to file out the paperwork beforehand. So, no, due process doesn't apply to him because he pretty clearly didn't want it in the first place.

Documentation is what makes one a US citizen. If anything, he should have been arrested and tried for treason.

Obama screwed up at benghazi because of not placing enough security.

I bet that in 15 years I'll be reading on whatever takes the place of Free Republic about conservatives still posting about Benghazi the way they still post over there about Whitewater and Vince Foster.

[Lessnt]

al-Awlaki was an American citizen by documentation only. He clearly expressed his thoughts on America and American citizenship when he joined up with al-Qaeda, and the only reason we have this debacle is because he didn't bother to file out the paperwork beforehand. So, no, due process doesn't apply to him because he pretty clearly didn't want it in the first place.

Documentation is what makes one a US citizen. If anything, he should have been arrested and tried for treason.

Obama screwed up at benghazi because of not placing enough security.

I bet that in 15 years I'll be reading on whatever takes the place of Free Republic about conservatives still posting about Benghazi the way they still post over there about Whitewater and Vince Foster.

No clue what as to what your talking about.

[Esternial]

He did well, considering the Republicans being sore losers and working against him pretty much every step of the way.

But I guess that's his fault too, huh?

[Big Jim P]

He did well, considering the Republicans being sore losers and working against him pretty much every step of the way.

But I guess that's his fault too, huh?

for being a liberal commie, yes.

[Esternial]

He did well, considering the Republicans being sore losers and working against him pretty much every step of the way.

But I guess that's his fault too, huh?

for being a liberal commie, yes.

Bew hew.

Americans are good at being dramatic.

[Sorgloss]

I was going to comment on how Obama's reign is more or less a continuation of the Bush era, but when I saw this was a poll I really didn't have to.

So, he's a typical statist. Nothing special. He's not even black enough!(this sentence is sarcasm)

[Daistallia 2104]

So, due process doesn't apply to bad guys now?

al-Awlaki was an American citizen by documentation only. He clearly expressed his thoughts on America and American citizenship when he joined up with al-Qaeda, and the only reason we have this debacle is because he didn't bother to file out the paperwork beforehand. So, no, due process doesn't apply to him because he pretty clearly didn't want it in the first place.

No person shall ... be deprived of live, liberty, or property, without due process of law....

Person, not citizen. Even were he not a citizen, which he was, he had a right not to be extrajudicially executed for crimes.

[Enadail]

like really? and people say he dealt with the economy, no, no he didn't. and by the way, he has been using a policy that George bush set into place. not only this but if the economy is so great then why do we have a national debt of i think it was 16 trillion dollars. other notes of him not being such a great president:

Because you run a debt when the economy is not doing well. The fact that we're in debt is really not a big deal at all. And no one is saying the economy is doing great; its just doing a lot better then when he first got it.

-He has the most time playing rounds of golf than any other president

This matters how?

-In one term he generated more national debt than all the preceding presidents combined

This matters how? He was also given one of the worst economic situations to deal with when his presidency started, and debt doesn't matter really as much as people make it out to be.

-He does not comply with the rules of checks and balances

How so?

-He is lowering the care of our troops, not just deployed but returned

How so?

-He has practically taken our 2nd amendment away

HAHAHAHA. He's expanded gun rights, and this is taking away the 2nd amendment? Funny guy.

-He is requiring us to have a national healthcare (Last time i checked i had the freedom to choose my own)

Nope, unfortunately, no national healthcare. Instead, he's requiring you to purchase private healthcare, instead of people not having healthcare and driving the costs up for everyone else. You still pick who you want as your provider, etc. You just don't get the choice of screwing other people over anymore.

-He promised to keep jobs in the US (this is not happening)

How does Obama control what companies do with jobs?


So a bunch of points that are either vague, senseless, or downright wrong. I look forward to your response.

[Divair]

He did well, considering the Republicans being sore losers and working against him pretty much every step of the way.

But I guess that's his fault too, huh?

Absolutely.

[Yes Im Biop]

He did well, considering the Republicans being sore losers and working against him pretty much every step of the way.

But I guess that's his fault too, huh?

Absolutely.

That second one is creepy but the bottom is funny as hell

[Alien Space Bats]

Just a couple of points on a post that is inaccurate in almost every detail (where in the Hell do you get your news... from Newsmax?!?)

He has practically taken our 2nd amendment away

Really? So I can't go down to Walmart and buy a bolt-action hunting rifle or a shotgun, the way I could four years ago? Seriously?!?

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No, in fact, I could if I wanted to. Did you actually read the orders President Obama signed the other day? Or did you just listen to some rabid screamer on right-wing talk radio tell you that you no longer have a right to bear arms?

Here is what Forbes — a business magazine owned by Steve Forbes (a one-time Republican candidate for the Presidency, BTW) — had to say about the President's actions:

It does not appear that any of the executive orders would have any impact on the guns people currently own-or would like to purchase- and that all proposals regarding limiting the availability of assault weapons or large ammunition magazines will be proposed for Congressional action. As such, any potential effort to create a constitutional crisis — or the leveling of charges that the White House has overstepped its executive authority — would hold no validity.

- Rick Ungar, "Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President", 1/16/2013, Forbes

Its also hilarious how people called mitt Romney "Liar of the Year" when he said Chrysler was moving manufacturing to china and recently they announced that they would be making "jeep" in china now.

What Jeep announced is that they would be building vehicles in China for sale in China; they are not "moving manufacturing" anywhere. The vehicles being built in North America for sale in North America will continue to be built in North America.

This is standard practice in the auto industry and has been for a number of years: Shipping vehicles halfway around the world is expensive and adds tremendously to the final cost of the vehicle, cutting sharply into profit margins. If you knew anything about business or economics — and you clearly don't (which is no surprise; most conservatives don't have a fucking clue when it comes to either subject) — you would realize that there's a going price for vehicles in China (or North America) and that manufacturers can't just "pass along costs" arbitrarily to consumers. This simply makes sense; do I give a flying rat's ass how much a car-maker paid to bring their vehicle to a nearby showroom floor? Am I going to be willing to shell out a few thousand extra dollars just because it cost them a few thousand extra dollars to build and deliver the vehicle? Hell, no. I'll just go buy a different vehicle from somebody else.

Products have a natural price, which is determined by local estimates of what that product is worth to the public; the public doesn't give a damn how much the dealer or the manufacturer has to pay at their end to bring the product to market. They will pay what the product is worth, and not a penny more. Thus, it's up to the manufacturer (and the dealer) to figure out how to get that product into the hands of the consumer for less than what the consumer will pay for it. If they can do that, they'll make a profit — and their profit will be whatever that difference is; if not, then they'll lose money and the product will not be available. In the latter case, they might be able to curtail sales, boost the price a bit, and maybe wring a few more bucks from those poor schleps who really, really want the product and are willing to pay more than the average amount for it; but whatever the case, the final asking price is always driven and set by consumer demand, and never through some kind of "cost plus" equation.

This is why automakers build overseas, and why foreign automakers build here in the States: To save shipping costs, and thereby maximize profits. They've been doing this for years, and so there are never any jobs lost on one continent from production and sales on another. Jeep didn't cut production by even one unit here in North America, nor do they plan to; the insinuation that Jeep was "moving manufacturing" to China was, therefore, a complete and total lie.

I recommend that you start getting your news from other sources than those you are employing now. The local press in Ohio (where most Jeeps destined for the North American market are built) called Mitt Romney out for that ad back in November — and rightly so — because it was, in fact, an attempt to mislead voters regarding the state of affairs at Jeep and the current health of the auto industry in North America.

[Divair]

I bet that in 15 years I'll be reading on whatever takes the place of Free Republic about conservatives still posting about Benghazi the way they still post over there about Whitewater and Vince Foster.

Watch, Benghazi will be a huge selling point in 2016 for the GOP.

[Esternial]

The recurring red thread I'm seeing here is that people don't bother to look up factual information and just make it up themselves or find it with people that make it up themselves.

Growing stupidity in your back yard? Better replace it with pot.

[Divair]

The recurring red thread I'm seeing here is that people don't bother to look up factual information and just make it up themselves or find it with people that make it up themselves.

Growing stupidity in your back yard? Better replace it with pot.

Humans are stupid. Stop the presses.

[United States of America Under Dodes]

The recurring red thread I'm seeing here is that people don't bother to look up factual information and just make it up themselves or find it with people that make it up themselves.

Growing stupidity in your back yard? Better replace it with pot.

Humans are stupid. Stop the presses.

Humans aren't stupid, stupid ones just make the most noise.

[Divair]

Humans aren't stupid, stupid ones just make the most noise.

Stupid people are also the majority.

[United States of America Under Dodes]

Humans aren't stupid, stupid ones just make the most noise.

Stupid people are also the majority.

well technically by definition of stupid, that's not possible

But I think that people are much smarter than the more cynical give them credit for. What cynical people confuse for laziness or ignorance is actually the most useful human trait - adaptability - it is because of adaptability that humans tolerate such injustices and intolerance. Then there's good old-fashioned misguidance which doesn't necessarily mean people are stupid, I've met plenty of smart individuals who believe in flawed systems.

[Esternial]

Stupid people are also the majority.

well technically by definition of stupid, that's not possible

But I think that people are much smarter than the more cynical give them credit for. What cynical people confuse for laziness or ignorance is actually the most useful human trait - adaptability - it is because of adaptability that humans tolerate such injustices and intolerance. Then there's good old-fashioned misguidance which doesn't necessarily mean people are stupid, I've met plenty of smart individuals who believe in flawed systems.

People can be intelligent but can still be stupid because they don't want to understands certain facts.

WANT. TO.

They ignore it completely, despite valid arguments, and spew unrelated nonsense to divert the topic or something. Why? Because it'd hurt them. Hypocritical little bitches that expect others to do this and that, but when others expect them to do the same, they spew that familiar old nonsense again, and the world would be better off without them.

Somewhat related: America needs better politicians.

[Salandriagado]

...Where do you think jobs come from? The Goverment Welfare Fairy?

Jobs come from unmet consumer demand.

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What, did you thing rich people create them "just because"?

He's already pretty well admitted to subscribing to the Butler Theory of Economics, so...

[Orcoa]

A very good leader who had to go through a shit storm made by those dirty mother fucking Republicans.

Plus he a fellow nerd so I give him props for that

8/10

[Orcoa]

NDAA was necessary to fund the military, and cut back on the powers of the State.

What an excellent argument! I'm sure if I ever go to court, I will have to try telling the judge and jury that my special crime was OK because I needed to comity it in order to continue committing othrt crimes. Think that'll work for me too?

You are so cute. Really! you do make me laugh with such statements

[Farnhamia]

Jobs come from unmet consumer demand.

<pause>

What, did you thing rich people create them "just because"?

He's already pretty well admitted to subscribing to the Butler Theory of Economics, so...

Judith Butler?

[Divair]

A very good leader who had to go through a shit storm made by those dirty mother fucking Republicans.

Plus he a fellow nerd so I give him props for that

8/10

Fellow 'nerd'?