Barack Obama: 4 Years In Review

[Daistallia 2104]

Domestic Policy: C some good, but too many give always to Wall Street and the PPCA was another
Foreign Policy: F - war crimes

Also, for those excusing the war crime of continuing operations at the Guantanamo Bay facilities, note that Obama continues to ignore his own executive orders for it to be closed and signed both the 2011 and 2012 NDAAs. You cwould claim congressional obstruction if he had vetoed them and been overridden, but he didn't.

NDAA was necessary to fund the military, and cut back on the powers of the State.

What an excellent argument! I'm sure if I ever go to court, I will have to try telling the judge and jury that my special crime was OK because I needed to comity it in order to continue committing othrt crimes. Think that'll work for me too?

[Daistallia 2104]

The 2011 and 2012 NDAAs were the bills disallowing it. Obama signed both.

Disallowing what, locations? That the NDAA disallowed the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners is news to me... source? To the best of my knowledge, Congress never even considered the notion formally, so I'd love to see that text.

Also, you are aware that those wills had necessary military funding attached? Not signing them would more or less have been akin to shutting down the US military, while in two major theaters. Not exactly a possibility.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/u ... scriminate

http://www.closeguantanamo.org/Articles ... Guantanamo

[Daistallia 2104]

Domestic Policy: C some good, but too many give always to Wall Street and the PPCA was another
Foreign Policy: F - war crimes

Also, for those excusing the war crime of continuing operations at the Guantanamo Bay facilities, note that Obama continues to ignore his own executive orders for it to be closed and signed both the 2011 and 2012 NDAAs. You cwould claim congressional obstruction if he had vetoed them and been overridden, but he didn't.

No, no, no. He receives an F- in foreign policy for sanctioning the killing of American citizens overseas without trial or any remote semblance of due process. Anwar al-Awlaki's death was impeachable by any standard of the law.

Note that I do include that under the umbrella of war crimes.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

Domestic Policy: C some good, but too many give always to Wall Street and the PPCA was another
Foreign Policy: F - war crimes

Also, for those excusing the war crime of continuing operations at the Guantanamo Bay facilities, note that Obama continues to ignore his own executive orders for it to be closed and signed both the 2011 and 2012 NDAAs. You cwould claim congressional obstruction if he had vetoed them and been overridden, but he didn't.

No, no, no. He receives an F- in foreign policy for sanctioning the killing of American citizens overseas without trial or any remote semblance of due process. Anwar al-Awlaki's death was impeachable by any standard of the law.

ok guys, can you please find a better poster boy for your OBAMA KILLS AMERICAN CITIZENS cause than an al-Qaeda member who may or may not have had a hand in 9/11

seriously

[Big Jim P]

Adequate.

[Tyrants]

Above average. B+

[Vedastia]

Abominable. He signed ARRA and the NDAA into law, and issued executive orders abridging constitutional rights, not that any previous presidents have not committed similar acts. Bad president/Typical statist.

[Daistallia 2104]

No, no, no. He receives an F- in foreign policy for sanctioning the killing of American citizens overseas without trial or any remote semblance of due process. Anwar al-Awlaki's death was impeachable by any standard of the law.

ok guys, can you please find a better poster boy for your OBAMA KILLS AMERICAN CITIZENS cause than an al-Qaeda member who may or may not have had a hand in 9/11

seriously

So, due process doesn't apply to bad guys now?

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

ok guys, can you please find a better poster boy for your OBAMA KILLS AMERICAN CITIZENS cause than an al-Qaeda member who may or may not have had a hand in 9/11

seriously

So, due process doesn't apply to bad guys now?

al-Awlaki was an American citizen by documentation only. He clearly expressed his thoughts on America and American citizenship when he joined up with al-Qaeda, and the only reason we have this debacle is because he didn't bother to file out the paperwork beforehand. So, no, due process doesn't apply to him because he pretty clearly didn't want it in the first place.

[Alderis]

Ok, well ii'm probably going to get criticized but eh, as everyone will in politics. Anyway, i personally didnt like how he ran the nation. He broke promises and made more promises. besides this he lies to the people quite often, and he completely ignores all constitutional order. He uses executive order to do almost whatever he wants. I doubt all of you heard about the Libya attack but basically an embassy was under attack and when they requested help Obama said no and one guy said f that, and went to help without permission. he gave his life, i think it was a 17 hour attack. Even more was he watched the whole thing live feed and then went straight to bed sound asleep, funny thing is, he went to las Vegas next day. So while he was dreaming people were dying, U.S. citizens. Not just this but he feels the need to ignore congress and the use of checks and balances ie: gun control. There is a reason we have it, to fight an oppressive government if needed be. It find gun control silly really,

Guy: Guys, lets make a law to stop LAWBREAKERS from having weapons.
HeadGuy: Jim.... you're fucking brilliant.

like really? and people say he dealt with the economy, no, no he didn't. and by the way, he has been using a policy that George bush set into place. not only this but if the economy is so great then why do we have a national debt of i think it was 16 trillion dollars. other notes of him not being such a great president:

-He has the most time playing rounds of golf than any other president
-In one term he generated more national debt than all the preceding presidents combined
-He does not comply with the rules of checks and balances
-He is lowering the care of our troops, not just deployed but returned
-He has practically taken our 2nd amendment away
-He is requiring us to have a national healthcare (Last time i checked i had the freedom to choose my own)
-He promised to keep jobs in the US (this is not happening)

Its also hilarious how people called mitt Romney "Liar of the Year" when he said Chrysler was moving manufacturing to china and recently they announced that they would be making "jeep" in china now. Also how they called him a "White racist" when he is Mexican. Yes, he is Mexican, his did is indeed from mexico. I also chuckled a little when the NRA gave out that ad that talked about inequality of protection for schools:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miSjgv1MH7s

, and then the Democratic party basically replies with "Oh that's just unofficial and childish using children to attack us" and then Obama surrounded himself with 5-10 year olds during the signing of the gun control (which never passed through congress).

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve and receive neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Tsuntion]

I doubt all of you heard about the Libya attack but basically an embassy was under attack and when they requested help Obama said no and one guy said f that, and went to help without permission. he gave his life, i think it was a 17 hour attack. Even more was he watched the whole thing live feed and then went straight to bed sound asleep, funny thing is, he went to las Vegas next day. So while he was dreaming people were dying, U.S. citizens.

First, I doubt you have any way of knowing how well he slept. Second, would you rather he stay awake for 48 hours so that he can hardly run the country?

[Alderis]

I doubt all of you heard about the Libya attack but basically an embassy was under attack and when they requested help Obama said no and one guy said f that, and went to help without permission. he gave his life, i think it was a 17 hour attack. Even more was he watched the whole thing live feed and then went straight to bed sound asleep, funny thing is, he went to las Vegas next day. So while he was dreaming people were dying, U.S. citizens.

First, I doubt you have any way of knowing how well he slept. Second, would you rather he stay awake for 48 hours so that he can hardly run the country?

He went to run his campaign, and i personally think the live of 46 US citizens is a little more important that one day campaigning. The people working in the compound were asking for more military personnel before but were denied several times, same as during the attack. He could of sent forces to help rescue the compound but he didnt, why? Honestly, i dont know. And it was 17 hours.

[Laerod]

First, I doubt you have any way of knowing how well he slept. Second, would you rather he stay awake for 48 hours so that he can hardly run the country?

He went to run his campaign, and i personally think the live of 46 US citizens is a little more important that one day campaigning. The people working in the compound were asking for more military personnel before but were denied several times, same as during the attack. He could of sent forces to help rescue the compound but he didnt, why? Honestly, i dont know. And it was 17 hours.

Security, not military personnel. That's not something the US provides, that has always, ALWAYS been the duty of the host country.

[Alderis]

He went to run his campaign, and i personally think the live of 46 US citizens is a little more important that one day campaigning. The people working in the compound were asking for more military personnel before but were denied several times, same as during the attack. He could of sent forces to help rescue the compound but he didnt, why? Honestly, i dont know. And it was 17 hours.

Security, not military personnel. That's not something the US provides, that has always, ALWAYS been the duty of the host country.

It wasnt just security they had asked for, eventually they wanted to have the embassy shut down temporarily until the threats faded somewhat but they were denied. And honestly, do you think a country like Libya would really take the time a resources to guard an american embassy from terrorist groups?

[Laerod]

Security, not military personnel. That's not something the US provides, that has always, ALWAYS been the duty of the host country.

It wasnt just security they had asked for, eventually they wanted to have the embassy shut down temporarily until the threats faded somewhat but they were denied. And honestly, do you think a country like Libya would really take the time a resources to guard an american embassy from terrorist groups?

You mean the consulate? Also yes, yes they would. Unfortunately, telling if that's enough is not something you can reliably do until it gets put to the test.

[Alderis]

It wasnt just security they had asked for, eventually they wanted to have the embassy shut down temporarily until the threats faded somewhat but they were denied. And honestly, do you think a country like Libya would really take the time a resources to guard an american embassy from terrorist groups?

You mean the consulate? Also yes, yes they would. Unfortunately, telling if that's enough is not something you can reliably do until it gets put to the test.

If Libya would, then why hadn't they before, or during the attack? Besides, like i said, the embassy tried to give options, more security, or consulate the compound. They denied both.

[Laerod]

You mean the consulate? Also yes, yes they would. Unfortunately, telling if that's enough is not something you can reliably do until it gets put to the test.

If Libya would, then why hadn't they before, or during the attack? Besides, like i said, the embassy tried to give options, more security, or consulate the compound. They denied both.

So you agree that it wasn't Obama's fault.

[Seperates]

You mean the consulate? Also yes, yes they would. Unfortunately, telling if that's enough is not something you can reliably do until it gets put to the test.

If Libya would, then why hadn't they before, or during the attack? Besides, like i said, the embassy tried to give options, more security, or consulate the compound. They denied both.

And this is the president's fault how?

[Alderis]

If Libya would, then why hadn't they before, or during the attack? Besides, like i said, the embassy tried to give options, more security, or consulate the compound. They denied both.

So you agree that it wasn't Obama's fault.

No, It was, they had brought him in to get an order, in which the embassy requested assitance that was nearby. They were denied this every time.

If Libya would, then why hadn't they before, or during the attack? Besides, like i said, the embassy tried to give options, more security, or consulate the compound. They denied both.

And this is the president's fault how?

Again, He was asked to deal with the problem, decided they didnt need help, got up, let, prepared for his campaign in las vegas the next day.

[Laerod]

So you agree that it wasn't Obama's fault.

No, It was, they had brought him in to get an order, in which the embassy requested assitance that was nearby. They were denied this every time.

And this is the president's fault how?

Again, He was asked to deal with the problem, decided they didnt need help, got up, let, prepared for his campaign in las vegas the next day.

You're not making any sense.

[Alderis]

You're not making any sense.[/quote]

What do you mean?

[Laerod]

What do you mean?

You're stating it was Obama's fault despite stating it wasn't. It makes no sense.

[Alderis]

What do you mean?

You're stating it was Obama's fault despite stating it wasn't. It makes no sense.

I had never said it wasnt... O.o

[Seperates]

And this is the president's fault how?

Again, He was asked to deal with the problem, decided they didnt need help, got up, let, prepared for his campaign in las vegas the next day.

Do you really think the President has time to deal with every little problem the embassies have? He has people for that.

No, wait, I'm sorry, I must be mistaken. I'm sure he was the one that decided they didn't need help. I'm sure he was the one who had all the facts on the situation. He must have read up or hours extensivly on the diplomatic and strategic situation in Libya. Yes, I'm sure that is exactly what happened.

[Laerod]

You're stating it was Obama's fault despite stating it wasn't. It makes no sense.

I had never said it wasnt... O.o

No, you're spouting nonsense now that I read what you wrote again. I mean "consulating a compound"? What the actual fuck? Do you have any idea what we're talking about here?