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Obama?

The Messiah
19
3%
A great president
74
11%
He's ok
162
24%
Bad president
78
12%
COMMUNIST!!!
41
6%
A socialist
47
7%
Average liberal
81
12%
A right-winger
40
6%
Typical statist
55
8%
I prefer Bonobos.
77
11%
 
Total votes : 674

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Postby Condunum » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:35 pm

Rereumrari wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:So no evidence whatsoever?
At the very least he is a socialist. I think we can all agree there. And since i've gotten communists here to admit that socialism is a steppping stone to communism, then he definitely also a communist.

Obama is a conservative. He's barely a conservative, as he's about center-right, but he's a conservative.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:35 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vazdania wrote:right next to the "left wingers tax the fuck out of everyone option?" Oh I see it now!

You're really bad at this.

yea :(
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:35 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:Right next to the "I don't know what I'm talking about and I like to parrot right-wing catch phrases" option.

right next to the "left wingers tax the fuck out of everyone option?" Oh I see it now!

Why do you like debt?
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Postby Arkinesia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:35 pm

Condunum wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:A lame President makes a bad President in my book.

He man he's lame, like he isn't cool and stuff.

Yeah man like, he isn't cool like that other president man.

I don't mean it like that.

I mean he isn't succeeding at pushing through needed reforms, and he bitches out when the going gets tough with Republicans on major reforms.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:36 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Vazdania wrote:right next to the "left wingers tax the fuck out of everyone option?" Oh I see it now!

Why do you like debt?

No. No reason to raise taxes, lets cut spending and use what we were spending to start paying what we owe.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:36 pm

Rereumrari wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:So no evidence whatsoever?
At the very least he is a socialist. I think we can all agree there. And since i've gotten communists here to admit that socialism is a steppping stone to communism, then he definitely also a communist.

I certainly do not agree he's a socialist. Actual socialists will laugh you to scorn for that. And again, based on what evidence do you make these statements?
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:36 pm

Wahoigletopia wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Indeed, he's nothing like Reagan, as he's sent 0 weapons to Iran and funded 0 terrorists in Latin America.

*coughfastabdfuriouscough*

To clarify, the Mujahideen were trained by US soldiers to overthrow an opressive government, and the Zetas had the same goal, as they weren't terrorists at the time, but a paramilitary group. Perhaps being clear on what those groups Reagan helped might improve your opinion of him.

And maybe if you recognized what the intent of fast and furious was, you would realize there isn't much of a parallel there.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:38 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Why do you like debt?

No. No reason to raise taxes, lets cut spending and use what we were spending to start paying what we owe.

Why?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Condunum » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:38 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:You're really bad at this.

yea :(

It's okay. NSG snark is hard to pull off from your side of the fence.

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Why do you like debt?

No. No reason to raise taxes, lets cut spending and use what we were spending to start paying what we owe.

Yes, defense spending to start. We also need to remove the tax cuts that were put in place, because they should not have been allowed to become the standard.

Taxes will not kill the economy. They aren't some big scary thing.

Arkinesia wrote:
Condunum wrote:He man he's lame, like he isn't cool and stuff.

Yeah man like, he isn't cool like that other president man.

I don't mean it like that.

I mean he isn't succeeding at pushing through needed reforms, and he bitches out when the going gets tough with Republicans on major reforms.

He's calling out republicans when they stop him, because he really can't do anything else.
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Postby Arkinesia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:38 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:Right next to the "I don't know what I'm talking about and I like to parrot right-wing catch phrases" option.

right next to the "left wingers tax the fuck out of everyone option?" Oh I see it now!

>Obama
>left-winger

Oh god, that's the best joke I've heard all night.
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Postby Rereumrari » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:39 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Rereumrari wrote:At the very least he is a socialist. I think we can all agree there. And since i've gotten communists here to admit that socialism is a steppping stone to communism, then he definitely also a communist.

I certainly do not agree he's a socialist. Actual socialists will laugh you to scorn for that. And again, based on what evidence do you make these statements?
His burning hatred for the rich, love of taxes, healthcare mandates, and wanting to eliminate the private sector and put it under government control. All textbook socialism, which is also communism.
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Postby Wahoigletopia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:39 pm

Condunum wrote:And maybe if you recognized what the intent of fast and furious was, you would realize there isn't much of a parallel there.

Regardless, the outcome is much less noble than the intention, and at this point it becomes an argument of whether the ends justify the means.

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:39 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vazdania wrote:yea :(

It's okay. NSG snark is hard to pull off from your side of the fence.

Vazdania wrote:No. No reason to raise taxes, lets cut spending and use what we were spending to start paying what we owe.

Yes, defense spending to start. We also need to remove the tax cuts that were put in place, because they should not have been allowed to become the standard.

Taxes will not kill the economy. They aren't some big scary thing.

Arkinesia wrote:I don't mean it like that.

I mean he isn't succeeding at pushing through needed reforms, and he bitches out when the going gets tough with Republicans on major reforms.

He's calling out republicans when they stop him, because he really can't do anything else.

Lets not just stop at Military please!!! taxes are the devil...we must remove them.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:40 pm

Rereumrari wrote:His burning hatred for the rich,

Why hasn't he committed suicide?
Rereumrari wrote:love of taxes,

He hates taxes.
Rereumrari wrote:and wanting to eliminate the private sector and put it under government control. All textbook socialism, which is also communism.

Even if this was true, that's not the definition of communism or socialism.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Condunum » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:40 pm

Rereumrari wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I certainly do not agree he's a socialist. Actual socialists will laugh you to scorn for that. And again, based on what evidence do you make these statements?
His burning hatred for the rich, love of taxes, healthcare mandates, and wanting to eliminate the private sector and put it under government control. All textbook socialism, which is also communism.

He doesn't hate the rich; In fact, a lot of his political allies are quite rich. Healthcare mandates, I fail to recognize as being a sign of socialism. And he doesn't want to eliminate the private sector. He's an economic conservative, IIRC.
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Postby Arkinesia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:40 pm

Condunum wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:I don't mean it like that.

I mean he isn't succeeding at pushing through needed reforms, and he bitches out when the going gets tough with Republicans on major reforms.

He's calling out republicans when they stop him, because he really can't do anything else.

I guess you're one of the suckers who thinks Obama backed out of the public option purely for “political expediency?”

Not because Obama just put that in originally to assuage his gullible progressive base that he's totes progressive?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:40 pm

Rereumrari wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I certainly do not agree he's a socialist. Actual socialists will laugh you to scorn for that. And again, based on what evidence do you make these statements?
His burning hatred for the rich, love of taxes, healthcare mandates, and wanting to eliminate the private sector and put it under government control. All textbook socialism, which is also communism.

So, nothing? Not even a Fox News link? Are you that lazy?
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:41 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:It's okay. NSG snark is hard to pull off from your side of the fence.


Yes, defense spending to start. We also need to remove the tax cuts that were put in place, because they should not have been allowed to become the standard.

Taxes will not kill the economy. They aren't some big scary thing.


He's calling out republicans when they stop him, because he really can't do anything else.

Lets not just stop at Military please!!! taxes are the devil...we must remove them.

If you're trying to parody yourself you're doing a good job. If not, I feel sorry for you and your delusional idea that taxes are evil.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:41 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Rereumrari wrote:His burning hatred for the rich,

Why hasn't he committed suicide?
Rereumrari wrote:love of taxes,

He hates taxes.
Rereumrari wrote:and wanting to eliminate the private sector and put it under government control. All textbook socialism, which is also communism.

Even if this was true, that's not the definition of communism or socialism.

He dispays characteristics which are typical of socialists and what socialists tend to do when they are in power. There I said it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:42 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Why hasn't he committed suicide?

He hates taxes.

Even if this was true, that's not the definition of communism or socialism.

He dispays characteristics which are typical of socialists and what socialists tend to do when they are in power. There I said it.

Such as what?
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:42 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Condunum wrote:He's calling out republicans when they stop him, because he really can't do anything else.

I guess you're one of the suckers who thinks Obama backed out of the public option purely for “political expediency?”

Not because Obama just put that in originally to assuage his gullible progressive base that he's totes progressive?

I don't know what you mean by public option, please elaborate.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:42 pm

Vazdania wrote:He dispays characteristics which are typical of socialists and what socialists tend to do when they are in power. There I said it.

Which is exactly why socialists are disappointed with him. Seems legit.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:42 pm

Condunum wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Lets not just stop at Military please!!! taxes are the devil...we must remove them.

If you're trying to parody yourself you're doing a good job. If not, I feel sorry for you and your delusional idea that taxes are evil.

Taxes aren't 'evil per say, I don't think we should raise them. We should lower them. Cut spending starting with military, yes, but not just stop there, we need across the board cuts to things.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:42 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Why hasn't he committed suicide?

He hates taxes.

Even if this was true, that's not the definition of communism or socialism.

He dispays characteristics which are typical of socialists and what socialists tend to do when they are in power. There I said it.

No, he doesn't. He displays the political beliefs of a center-right politician.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:43 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Condunum wrote:If you're trying to parody yourself you're doing a good job. If not, I feel sorry for you and your delusional idea that taxes are evil.

Taxes aren't 'evil per say, I don't think we should raise them. We should lower them. Cut spending starting with military, yes, but not just stop there, we need across the board cuts to things.

No we don't.
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