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Barack Obama: 4 Years In Review

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Obama?

The Messiah
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3%
A great president
74
11%
He's ok
162
24%
Bad president
78
12%
COMMUNIST!!!
41
6%
A socialist
47
7%
Average liberal
81
12%
A right-winger
40
6%
Typical statist
55
8%
I prefer Bonobos.
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11%
 
Total votes : 674

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Enadail
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Postby Enadail » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:37 pm

Curiosityness wrote:I really don't think he's done anything. Were more in debt than we were before he became president


http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

Sure, we're more in debt (not that it really matters), but...

We're also in better international standing then before he became president.

We've made concrete plans to pull out of the middle east which didn't exist before he became president.

We've done quite a lot of positive things (and a few negative things) since before he became president. Saying he's done nothing (whether you think he's done good or bad) just means you didn't really bother to check he's done.
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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:38 pm

Curiosityness wrote:I really don't think he's done anything. Were more in debt than we were before he became president

Which doesn't matter.

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Postby Western cuba » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:39 pm

I find it quite humorous when the only thing that people seem to use to criticize Obama is when they say we're in more debt than ever and the unemployment rate is bad. However I find it quite unfortunate that some of you may have the right to vote. Unless your under the age of eighteen I suppose.
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Postby North Stradia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:39 pm

Divair wrote:
Curiosityness wrote:I really don't think he's done anything. Were more in debt than we were before he became president

Which doesn't matter.

How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.
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Postby Laerod » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:40 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Laerod wrote:Efforts to reduce debt have been made. Stop referring to slashing welfare as "reducing debt". They're not the same thing.

Sure they are. A good way to reduce debt is not only to pay off existing debt, but to balance the budget so you aren't taking on new debt.

Don't lie.

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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:40 pm

North Stradia wrote:How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.

You do not pay off the entire debt at once, you pay off bits of it over a very, very long period of time. As long as you're growing, there's no issue. It's how capitalism works.

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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:41 pm

Divair wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:Economies change, for one.

The world changes, also.

In other words you're BSing and you know it. Good to know.


I'd personally prefer the economy we had during the Reagan years.

Howdoyoudoland wrote:Honestly, I'm not overly worried what a bunch of sheep herders an ocean a way are going to do...

Still, we have drones and the like we can use, probably should let our intelligence services tackle that sort of thing...

I bet you thought the same in 2000 before 9/11, huh?


How many people did they manage to kill, again? I mean they got one shot off, then what?

Howdoyoudoland wrote:The stimulus didn't increase employment, in fact it kept dropping, all it did was prolong the recession and increase our debt, a waste of money.
The AHA adds unnecessary cost to businesses, penalizes people who can't afford insurance, and forces insurance companies to insure people, so that sucks.
Banks will keep playing the same reckless games if they believe that the government is going to bail them out when it all blows up in their faces, that's a no brainer.

Sources, for fuck's sake.


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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:41 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:Again, it isn't theft if you consent to it.

I don't consent.

Do you consent to sex by being married?

The money they tax you is worth NOTHING except for the fact THEY say it is. So, Your not the owner of your money, you borrow it, and when you borrow money you have to pay it back. So You can stop paying Tax's, Stop using American money, and Leave america, because if you don't pay Tax's No one has to do shit for you, and in all likely hood won't.
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Postby Laerod » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:41 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Which doesn't matter.

How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.

So?

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:41 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Which doesn't matter.

How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.

You do realize that the debts the US holds are issued in US currency, right? So the US is in complete control over the real value of that debt? So there is no such thing as "crippling debt"?
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Postby North Stradia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:41 pm

Western cuba wrote:I find it quite humorous when the only thing that people seem to use to criticize Obama is when they say we're in more debt than ever and the unemployment rate is bad. However I find it quite unfortunate that some of you may have the right to vote. Unless your under the age of eighteen I suppose.

So you only support the right to vote for people who agree with you?
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:42 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Which doesn't matter.

How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.


And also irrelevant. You are supposed to run the government at a loss when the economy isn't doing too well. The problem is that previous governments (worldwide) lowered taxes when the economy was doing well (stupid) to the point that we didn't build up enough of a pile of cash before it happened. Hence, we have a lot of debt. Still not a major issue, and not something we need to be worrying about until the next boom happens, when we can quite easily wipe it out and move on to building up a nice pile of cash to prepare for the next screwup.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby Enadail » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:42 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Which doesn't matter.

How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.


Except "national debt per person" is a pretty useless statistic like "1 pencil is made for ever 3 people in the US per year". National debt isn't calculated on the "per person" basis, nor does it matter that way. And while lowering national debt is good, it rising, specially for the US, doesn't matter. Unless our economy tanks and our credit rating drops (again), countries will always continue to loan the US money to bolster their own economies. National debt doesn't work like personal debt.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:42 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Divair wrote:Which doesn't matter.

How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.

You get high deficits when you lack growth. Thus you get faster growing debts. Now, when you have a recession, you drive demand through spending. You also invest in infrastructure and R&D while increasing efficiency by getting rid of unnecessary spending and through revenue, allowing you to slowly pay off your debt.
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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:42 pm

Divair wrote:
North Stradia wrote:How does debt not matter? You have to pay it off eventually, and right now the national debt per person is over $50K.

You do not pay off the entire debt at once, you pay off bits of it over a very, very long period of time. As long as you're growing, there's no issue. It's how capitalism works.


When the debt you've accumulated itself begins to cut into your ability to grow? When the "rights" the working class demands begin to bankrupt the very businesses that are the lifeblood of the economy? What then?
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Postby Laerod » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:43 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Divair wrote:You do not pay off the entire debt at once, you pay off bits of it over a very, very long period of time. As long as you're growing, there's no issue. It's how capitalism works.


When the debt you've accumulated itself begins to cut into your ability to grow? When the "rights" the working class demands begin to bankrupt the very businesses that are the lifeblood of the economy? What then?

THE DEBT HAS DONE NOTHING OF THE SORT.

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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Divair wrote:You do not pay off the entire debt at once, you pay off bits of it over a very, very long period of time. As long as you're growing, there's no issue. It's how capitalism works.


When the debt you've accumulated itself begins to cut into your ability to grow? When the "rights" the working class demands begin to bankrupt the very businesses that are the lifeblood of the economy? What then?


That doesn't happen unless your government is stupid enough to go for "austerity".
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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Amen

So hip, the two of you. So fucking vote in some people you like ... oh, wait, Divair's not a citizen and you probably aren't old enough to vote.


Right on My Account, Probably on bis. As soon as i can vote, I will, and hopefully my vote will count for something.
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Postby Zonolia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:44 pm

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
Divair wrote:You do not pay off the entire debt at once, you pay off bits of it over a very, very long period of time. As long as you're growing, there's no issue. It's how capitalism works.


When the debt you've accumulated itself begins to cut into your ability to grow? When the "rights" the working class demands begin to bankrupt the very businesses that are the lifeblood of the economy? What then?

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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:45 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:I'd personally prefer the economy we had during the Reagan years.

So now you suddenly like debt?
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Howdoyoudoland wrote:How many people did they manage to kill, again? I mean they got one shot off, then what?

Over 3,000, and they've undoubtedly learnt from the experience. The next time such an attack takes place, it'll be far deadlier. Why do you hate civilians?

Howdoyoudoland wrote:It's the truth, and you know it.

So you're saying you've got no sources. Gotcha.

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Postby Western cuba » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:45 pm

North Stradia wrote:
Western cuba wrote:I find it quite humorous when the only thing that people seem to use to criticize Obama is when they say we're in more debt than ever and the unemployment rate is bad. However I find it quite unfortunate that some of you may have the right to vote. Unless your under the age of eighteen I suppose.

So you only support the right to vote for people who agree with you?


I never said that. I'm just saying that criticizing someone with no evidence to back you up is foolish.
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Postby Divair » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:45 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:When the debt you've accumulated itself begins to cut into your ability to grow? When the "rights" the working class demands begin to bankrupt the very businesses that are the lifeblood of the economy? What then?

Source it slows down growth.

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Postby Iowa the Nation » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:45 pm

Just four more years of debt and economic malaise.

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Postby Krownsinburg » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:46 pm

Just shows you how smart we Americans are:

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It deserves it's own meme.
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