Barack Obama: 4 Years In Review

[Salandriagado]

Source needed.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/pu ... e-20120326
http://nation.foxnews.com/obamacare/201 ... ual-rights
http://www.people-press.org/2012/03/26/ ... c-headline
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8302.cfm " Seven in ten Americans oppose [the individual mandate], including 53 percent of the public who say they hold "very unfavorable" views of it"

So people have the brains to realise that a single payer system is vastly superior to this terrible Republican policy we have now? I entirely agree with them.

[Western cuba]

Its quite nerve racking seeing people post 0 and 1 scores with basically no explanation or sources to back them up. Heck, I don't even believe Harding deserved a 2.

President Harding gets a minimum 2 for his middle name.

Wow, took a trip to wikipedia and saw that it was Gamaliel. Guess that can be the thing I put down as the interesting thing in history I learned today.

[Mavorpen]

A 90% tax rate is not justifiable in any way.

It is when the effective tax rate isn't 90%.

[Farnhamia]

Source needed.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/pu ... e-20120326
http://nation.foxnews.com/obamacare/201 ... ual-rights
http://www.people-press.org/2012/03/26/ ... c-headline
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8302.cfm " Seven in ten Americans oppose [the individual mandate], including 53 percent of the public who say they hold "very unfavorable" views of it"

And six in ten don't believe it's going to make a damned bit of difference in their coverage.

[Yes Im Biop]

IIRC Congress blocked any money from being used to close it down

Fuck Congress.

Amen

[Laerod]

How is the USA going to collapse by not reducing the debt level immediately?

If we make no effort to reduce the debt now, we never will.

It's already got so out of control that we have to raise the debt ceiling year after year, we can't let this become a habit.

Efforts to reduce debt have been made. Stop referring to slashing welfare as "reducing debt". They're not the same thing.

[New England and The Maritimes]

If we make no effort to reduce the debt now, we never will.

It's already got so out of control that we have to raise the debt ceiling year after year, we can't let this become a habit.

Efforts to reduce debt have been made. Stop referring to slashing welfare as "reducing debt". They're not the same thing.

The deficit has been reduced by about half a trillion dollars since Barack Obama took office. It will probably go down another half trillion at least before he's out, and that's even if Republicans somehow manage to continue to block any serious effort to improve the economy or reduce military spending or restore tax rates to normal levels.

[Howdoyoudoland]

...Where do you think jobs come from? The Goverment Welfare Fairy?

Obviously the economy was in a massive depression in the 50's by your logic, right?

...

Or maybe not. Because the marginal tax rate doesn't really matter to job creation.

Economies change, for one.

The world changes, also.

I didn't make that argument, you asked if I cared if they were fucked, I stated they're a fucked up place anyway, who gives a fuck if they're a little more fucked up after this?

It's a shithole, it's always been a shithole, it'll always be a shithole.

So you're fine with Al Qaeda coming back to power, leading to future terror attacks like 9/11?

Honestly, I'm not overly worried what a bunch of sheep herders an ocean a way are going to do...

Still, we have drones and the like we can use, probably should let our intelligence services tackle that sort of thing...

The stimulus package slowed the economy, the AHA is a big reason the economy isn't doing better now, and bailing out the banks will just lead to the same shenanigans and expansion of government power in the future.

Sources needed.

The stimulus didn't increase employment, in fact it kept dropping, all it did was prolong the recession and increase our debt, a waste of money.
The AHA adds unnecessary cost to businesses, penalizes people who can't afford insurance, and forces insurance companies to insure people, so that sucks.
Banks will keep playing the same reckless games if they believe that the government is going to bail them out when it all blows up in their faces, that's a no brainer.

[Divair]

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/pu ... e-20120326

43% vs 47%? Hardly a majority.

http://nation.foxnews.com/obamacare/201 ... ual-rights

Really? Faux News? Get a real source.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/03/26/ ... c-headline

You realize that it's close, and getting closer according to this poll, right? No majority.

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8302.cfm " Seven in ten Americans oppose [the individual mandate], including 53 percent of the public who say they hold "very unfavorable" views of it"

And yet, this contradicts your other sources, especially the one above. Strange, huh?

[Farnhamia]

Fuck Congress.

Amen

So hip, the two of you. So fucking vote in some people you like ... oh, wait, Divair's not a citizen and you probably aren't old enough to vote.

[Howdoyoudoland]

If we make no effort to reduce the debt now, we never will.

It's already got so out of control that we have to raise the debt ceiling year after year, we can't let this become a habit.

Efforts to reduce debt have been made. Stop referring to slashing welfare as "reducing debt". They're not the same thing.

Sure they are. A good way to reduce debt is not only to pay off existing debt, but to balance the budget so you aren't taking on new debt.

[Khodoristan]

I need a source that states that Afghanistan is an underdeveloped backwards shithole and has been that way since forever?

My boy Darius says otherwise. My homie Alex begs to differ. OG Chandragupta Maurya (RIP pimp daddy gone but not forgotten) is rolling in his tinted-window grave.

[Farnhamia]

Obviously the economy was in a massive depression in the 50's by your logic, right?

...

Or maybe not. Because the marginal tax rate doesn't really matter to job creation.

Economies change, for one.

The world changes, also.

So you're fine with Al Qaeda coming back to power, leading to future terror attacks like 9/11?

Honestly, I'm not overly worried what a bunch of sheep herders an ocean a way are going to do...

Still, we have drones and the like we can use, probably should let our intelligence services tackle that sort of thing...

Sources needed.

The stimulus didn't increase employment, in fact it kept dropping, all it did was prolong the recession and increase our debt, a waste of money.
The AHA adds unnecessary cost to businesses, penalizes people who can't afford insurance, and forces insurance companies to insure people, so that sucks.
Banks will keep playing the same reckless games if they believe that the government is going to bail them out when it all blows up in their faces, that's a no brainer.

One more time, sources, please?

[Divair]

Economies change, for one.

The world changes, also.

In other words you're BSing and you know it. Good to know.

Honestly, I'm not overly worried what a bunch of sheep herders an ocean a way are going to do...

Still, we have drones and the like we can use, probably should let our intelligence services tackle that sort of thing...

I bet you thought the same in 2000 before 9/11, huh?

The stimulus didn't increase employment, in fact it kept dropping, all it did was prolong the recession and increase our debt, a waste of money.
The AHA adds unnecessary cost to businesses, penalizes people who can't afford insurance, and forces insurance companies to insure people, so that sucks.
Banks will keep playing the same reckless games if they believe that the government is going to bail them out when it all blows up in their faces, that's a no brainer.

Sources, for fuck's sake.

[Hornesia]

Considering the mess he inherited from Bush, I think he did a very good job with the economy, gun violence, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A solid 9/10

Bush didn't create the economy problem. There were more people employed during bush's last day than any day in Obama's presidency.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Efforts to reduce debt have been made. Stop referring to slashing welfare as "reducing debt". They're not the same thing.

Sure they are. A good way to reduce debt is not only to pay off existing debt, but to balance the budget so you aren't taking on new debt.

So cutting <10% of the budget to increase the deficit by reducing receipts payable is a good way to reduce the deficit? Who would have thought that hurting the economy would make the government budget healthier...

[Divair]

A 90% tax rate is not justifiable in any way.

I give precisely zero fucks with regards to your thoughts on the 90% tax rate that led us to prosperity in the 50's.

[Howdoyoudoland]

I need a source that states that Afghanistan is an underdeveloped backwards shithole and has been that way since forever?

My boy Darius says otherwise. My homie Alex begs to differ. OG Chandragupta Maurya (RIP pimp daddy gone but not forgotten) is rolling in his tinted-window grave.

Darius was Persian, Alexander was Greek, Chandragupta Maurya was...Indian, I do believe?

How does stating their names refute anything I said about Afghanistan?

[North Stradia]

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/pu ... e-20120326

43% vs 47%? Hardly a majority.

http://nation.foxnews.com/obamacare/201 ... ual-rights

Really? Faux News? Get a real source.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/03/26/ ... c-headline

You realize that it's close, and getting closer according to this poll, right? No majority.

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8302.cfm " Seven in ten Americans oppose [the individual mandate], including 53 percent of the public who say they hold "very unfavorable" views of it"

And yet, this contradicts your other sources, especially the one above. Strange, huh?

I was talking about the individual mandate, not the Obamacare in general.

Also, you used Free Republic as a source on another thread, so don't go accusing me of using bad sources.

[Farnhamia]

Considering the mess he inherited from Bush, I think he did a very good job with the economy, gun violence, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A solid 9/10

Bush didn't create the economy problem. There were more people employed during bush's last day than any day in Obama's presidency.

Bush didn't create it, no, though it began on his watch. He was lucky enough to leave office as it really got going.

[Salandriagado]

Considering the mess he inherited from Bush, I think he did a very good job with the economy, gun violence, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A solid 9/10

Bush didn't create the economy problem. There were more people employed during bush's last day than any day in Obama's presidency.

Does the phrase "legislative lead time" mean nothing to you? How about "trend momentum"?

[Divair]

-Snip-

[New England and The Maritimes]

Bush didn't create the economy problem. There were more people employed during bush's last day than any day in Obama's presidency.

Bush didn't create it, no, though it began on his watch. He was lucky enough to leave office as it really got going.

Unless we want to blame Ronald Reagan for the economic problems in 1980 and George W. for the 2000-2001 Recession(which we never recovered from in a meaningful way, honestly,) we can go ahead and start Barack Obama's term at least in August 2009 as far as policy effects go.

[Enadail]

Considering the mess he inherited from Bush, I think he did a very good job with the economy, gun violence, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A solid 9/10

Bush didn't create the economy problem. There were more people employed during bush's last day than any day in Obama's presidency.

Yes, but we also had an artificial inflation of a number of markets due to depressed tax rates, depressed loaning rates, etc. I'm not gonna blame the market problems entirely on Bush, but he made it really easy for the market to seem much better then it actually was, so once reality caught it, it fell apart.

Employment != good market

[Curiosityness]

I really don't think he's done anything. Were more in debt than we were before he became president