Barack Obama: 4 Years In Review

[Khodoristan]

Proof.

We've got more debt, we're still at war, the economy is barely dragging itself along at this point, government is more divided than it's been in 2 decades (at least), the nation is more divided than it's been in 2 decades, etc.

I could go on, you know.

We got more debt because of a limp-dicked Congress and faulty economic policies that stem back to the Reagan era. We're still at war because the Afghans, who have repeatedly shown to be untrustworthy and unreliable allies, are unable to manage themselves at even a piss-poor level, let alone an entire country.

And yes, the country is more divided now than ever. And it's because of the conservatives and Republicans and their lack of common sense on even the most basic of problems that has led us up to this point.

[Mavorpen]

So then it allows for wealth distribution.

If there were a clause that specifically said, "And allows for Congress to confiscate and redistribute wealth without justification as they see fit"? Sure, then it probably would.

It doesn't.

It also doesn't state, "The Supreme Court may engage in judicial review as they see fit."

Yet, the constitution allows for it. Unless you show me where it states the government cannot redistribute wealth, the constitution allows it.

[Howdoyoudoland]

We've got more debt,

Not important as long as we keep growing.

*sigh* When it impedes our ability to grow?

we're still at war,

Yes, the plan was to leave in 2014. Always has been.

Doesn't change my point, we're still at war.

the economy is barely dragging itself along at this point,

2.6% growth and hundreds of thousands of jobs per month is not "barely dragging".

7% unemployment is.

government is more divided than it's been in 2 decades (at least), the nation is more divided than it's been in 2 decades, etc.

This isn't his fault. Blame the GOP.

No, I blame him. I place the blame solely on him, because he's more interested in expanding government in crushing us under a mountain of unsustainable debt than enacting policies that will save me, you, and everyone else in this country.

[New England and The Maritimes]

So then it allows for wealth distribution.

If there were a clause that specifically said, "And allows for Congress to confiscate and redistribute wealth without justification as they see fit"? Sure, then it probably would.

It doesn't.

You think there's such a thing as "property rights." How quaint. I'm really glad society is starting to move on.

[Howdoyoudoland]

If there were a clause that specifically said, "And allows for Congress to confiscate and redistribute wealth without justification as they see fit"? Sure, then it probably would.

It doesn't.

It also doesn't state, "The Supreme Court may engage in judicial review as they see fit."

Yet, the constitution allows for it. Unless you show me where it states the government cannot redistribute wealth, the constitution allows it.

Seeing as this country was founded on the right to "life, liberty, and property", I rather think not.

[Laerod]

Not important as long as we keep growing.

*sigh* When it impedes our ability to grow?

When did it do that?

[Howdoyoudoland]

If there were a clause that specifically said, "And allows for Congress to confiscate and redistribute wealth without justification as they see fit"? Sure, then it probably would.

It doesn't.

You think there's such a thing as "property rights." How quaint. I'm really glad society is starting to move on.

Do me a favor, try taking a car of the lot at a dealership without paying; Or break into someone's house and have a bite to eat on them.

See how far society has "moved on" from property rights.

[Laerod]

It also doesn't state, "The Supreme Court may engage in judicial review as they see fit."

Yet, the constitution allows for it. Unless you show me where it states the government cannot redistribute wealth, the constitution allows it.

Seeing as this country was founded on the right to "life, liberty, and property", I rather think not.

Not mentioned in the Constitution. Not mentioned on any legally binding document, for that matter.

[Divair]

*sigh* When it impedes our ability to grow?

It doesn't. Also blame Congress for failing to approve a budget since 2011.

Doesn't change my point, we're still at war.

I don't find it a problem. It's better to leave slowly instead of rushing out and letting the government get fucked over.

7% unemployment is.

It was 10% when he came to office. 3% reduction during a global recession is impressive.

No, I blame him. I place the blame solely on him, because he's more interested in expanding government in crushing us under a mountain of unsustainable debt than enacting policies that will save me, you, and everyone else in this country.

Yes, obviously he is the anti-Christ and we should burn him to save the glory that is the USA. USA! USA! USA!


Or not. Because he's a pretty cool president who has done good and you're laying blame on him that he doesn't deserve as a scapegoat.

[Howdoyoudoland]

*sigh* When it impedes our ability to grow?

When did it do that?

...Increasingly lately?

When we're having a debt crisis every year, maybe it's time to stop taking on debt?

[Mavorpen]

It also doesn't state, "The Supreme Court may engage in judicial review as they see fit."

Yet, the constitution allows for it. Unless you show me where it states the government cannot redistribute wealth, the constitution allows it.

Seeing as this country was founded on the right to "life, liberty, and property", I rather think not.

And that is mentioned in the Constitution where?

[New England and The Maritimes]

When did it do that?

...Increasingly lately?

When we're having a debt crisis every year, maybe it's time to stop taking on debt?

Lol, "debt crisis." It's a manufactured political event meant to make republicans seem "responsible" and what it's really doing is showing them as childish lunatics.

You think there's such a thing as "property rights." How quaint. I'm really glad society is starting to move on.

Do me a favor, try taking a car of the lot at a dealership without paying; Or break into someone's house and have a bite to eat on them.

See how far society has "moved on" from property rights.

"Private ownership" is gradually fading as a "preferred" social model, thanks ironically to the absolute destruction of the middle class by the capitalist parasites.

[Divair]

Seeing as this country was founded on the right to "life, liberty, and property", I rather think not.

And that is mentioned in the Constitution where?

Right next to the part where it says this is a Christian nation

[Howdoyoudoland]

*sigh* When it impedes our ability to grow?

It doesn't. Also blame Congress for failing to approve a budget since 2011.

It does, and it increasingly will until we get a handle on it. Also, I blame the President for his anti-job creator position.

Doesn't change my point, we're still at war.

I don't find it a problem. It's better to leave slowly instead of rushing out and letting the government get fucked over.

They're fucked anyway, they've been fucked since time immemorial.

We should make sure we're not fucked along with them.

7% unemployment is.

It was 10% when he came to office. 3% reduction during a global recession is impressive.

Not if he could have done better, and by all accounts the recovery is tentative as fuck.

No, I blame him. I place the blame solely on him, because he's more interested in expanding government in crushing us under a mountain of unsustainable debt than enacting policies that will save me, you, and everyone else in this country.

Yes, obviously he is the anti-Christ and we should burn him to save the glory that is the USA. USA! USA! USA!

Quite, now you get it!

Or not. Because he's a pretty cool president who has done good and you're laying blame on him that he doesn't deserve as a scapegoat.

...Or maybe not. Ah well, his sheeple will follow him right off the cliff I suppose.

Just with you weren't so set on taking us with you...

[Divair]

It does, and it increasingly will until we get a handle on it. Also, I blame the President for his anti-job creator position.

It does? Anti-job creator position? Sources.

They're fucked anyway, they've been fucked since time immemorial.

We should make sure we're not fucked along with them.

They've been fucked since "time immemorial"? Source.

Not if he could have done better, and by all accounts the recovery is tentative as fuck.

It could have been done better? Source.

...Or maybe not. Ah well, his sheeple will follow him right off the cliff I suppose.

Just with you weren't so set on taking us with you...

Look guys, ad hominems. Totally not a fallacy.

Or maybe it is. Whoops.

[Greed and Death]

Foreign policy I tend to align with him on, maybe he is a little hawkish for me.

Social issues he is about right.

Tax issues he is about right.

Insurance mandate about as wrong as can be, should be resisted by all available and functional means.

[Salandriagado]

Not important as long as we keep growing.

*sigh* When it impedes our ability to grow?

It doesn't. Not significantly, anyway. Obstructionism in congress, on the other hand, does.

Yes, the plan was to leave in 2014. Always has been.

Doesn't change my point, we're still at war.

And it doesn't make it his fault.

2.6% growth and hundreds of thousands of jobs per month is not "barely dragging".

7% unemployment is.

Improving rapidly, and noticeably better than anybody expected.

This isn't his fault. Blame the GOP.

No, I blame him. I place the blame solely on him, because he's more interested in expanding government in crushing us under a mountain of unsustainable debt than enacting policies that will save me, you, and everyone else in this country.

So in other words, you don't care about facts when they get in the way of your bullshit ideology?

[Howdoyoudoland]

...Increasingly lately?

When we're having a debt crisis every year, maybe it's time to stop taking on debt?

Lol, "debt crisis." It's a manufactured political event meant to make republicans seem "responsible" and what it's really doing is showing them as childish lunatics.

I wish it were manufactured, I really do. Alas, it is very real and we need to get serious about cutting spending if we are to save ourselves.

Do me a favor, try taking a car of the lot at a dealership without paying; Or break into someone's house and have a bite to eat on them.

See how far society has "moved on" from property rights.

"Private ownership" is gradually fading as a "preferred" social model, thanks ironically to the absolute destruction of the middle class by the capitalist parasites.

I assume by "gradually" you mean "At such a slow and minute rate that it's almost appears as if it's not fading away at all!"

It's a laughable claim that property rights have lost any steam in society, if anything it's the thought that government is the unfailing champion who can right any wrong that is failing.

[Divair]

I wish it were manufactured, I really do. Alas, it is very real and we need to get serious about cutting spending if we are to save ourselves.

From what? What do you think is going to happen?

[North Stradia]

If there were a clause that specifically said, "And allows for Congress to confiscate and redistribute wealth without justification as they see fit"? Sure, then it probably would.

It doesn't.

It also doesn't state, "The Supreme Court may engage in judicial review as they see fit."

Yet, the constitution allows for it. Unless you show me where it states the government cannot redistribute wealth, the constitution allows it.

Unless you can show me where the Constitution doesn't allow North Korean-style torture camps, they are allowed.

[Western cuba]

I'm going to be the guy that brings up the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obama Care), but since we're talking about our boy Obama's four year review its basically needed in this debate.

So what do you guys will think will come of the act. Some parts of the act are great in my opinion. For example, young adults being covered until there 25/26 (I forget the exact age) and health insurance companies being forced to cover you no matter your health conditions and previous incidents dealing with your health.

But then there's that conversational side of the act...

[Divair]

I'm going to be the guy that brings up the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obama Care), but since we're talking about our boy Obama's four year review its basically needed in this debate.

So what do you guys will think will come of the act. Some parts of the act are great in my opinion. For example, young adults being covered until there 25/26 (I forget the exact age) and health insurance companies being forced to cover you no matter your health conditions and previous incidents dealing with your health.

But then there's that conversational side of the act...

An important step towards single payer healthcare. Still a private system, though, so it's crap.

[Howdoyoudoland]

It does, and it increasingly will until we get a handle on it. Also, I blame the President for his anti-job creator position.

It does? Anti-job creator position? Sources.

Raising taxes on the top-earners recently, to start.

They're fucked anyway, they've been fucked since time immemorial.

We should make sure we're not fucked along with them.

They've been fucked since "time immemorial"? Source.

I need a source that states that Afghanistan is an underdeveloped backwards shithole and has been that way since forever?

Try wikipedia, for one? I really thought that one was obvious.

Not if he could have done better, and by all accounts the recovery is tentative as fuck.

It could have been done better? Source.

For one, he could've not spent all that stimulus money, enacted the Affordable Healthcare Act, or bailed out the banks when they fucked up.

...Or maybe not. Ah well, his sheeple will follow him right off the cliff I suppose.

Just with you weren't so set on taking us with you...

Look guys, ad hominems. Totally not a fallacy.

Totally not.

Or maybe it is. Whoops.

Whatever.

[North Stradia]

I'm going to be the guy that brings up the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obama Care), but since we're talking about our boy Obama's four year review its basically needed in this debate.

So what do you guys will think will come of the act. Some parts of the act are great in my opinion. For example, young adults being covered until there 25/26 (I forget the exact age) and health insurance companies being forced to cover you no matter your health conditions and previous incidents dealing with your health.

But then there's that conversational side of the act...

A strong majority of Americans oppose the individual mandate.

[Mavorpen]

It also doesn't state, "The Supreme Court may engage in judicial review as they see fit."

Yet, the constitution allows for it. Unless you show me where it states the government cannot redistribute wealth, the constitution allows it.

Unless you can show me where the Constitution doesn't allow North Korean-style torture camps, they are allowed.

Except that would go against several of the amendments.

Yet again, shitty analogy is shit.