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Postby Batman country » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:54 am

What's your views on internet governance, are you for internet regulation or do you favor virtual self-determination? Discuss.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:55 am

Are you serious? Regulation kills the internet.

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Postby Tyrants » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:55 am

Batman country wrote:What's your views on internet governance, are you for internet regulation or do you favor virtual self-determination? Discuss.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:58 am

The Truth and Light wrote:Are you serious? Regulation makes the internet possible.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:59 am

Batman country wrote:What's your views on internet governance, are you for internet regulation or do you favor virtual self-determination? Discuss.

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Postby Batman country » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:17 am

I am for Virtual Self-determination. It is impossible to regulate & censor the entire internet. Plus censorship would mean lack of choice, and it would be a violation of my freedom of speech.
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Postby Batman country » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:26 am

I said my views, now what are YOUR views on the subject? discuss.

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:33 am

Batman country wrote:I said my views, now what are YOUR views on the subject? discuss.


How do you mean regulate? Is this political regulation or the use of standards and protocols to provide internet operability?
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Postby Sophian » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:19 am

I think the U.S. government will eventually regulate & censor the internet. They can't do it now, because people would riot in the streets, and the concerning realization that U.S. politicians are slowly & carefully chipping away citizens' rights would finally register with people who would otherwise be apathetic or delusional. But once the police are more militarized, surveillance is increased, and citizens are less armed, some type of dramatic internet tragedy may happen that could have been prevented if the government would have just censored the internet, then they'll push for legislation to censor the internet. That's just one hypothesis though.

Personally, I'm opposed to most government surveillance, censorship, and regulation of the internet. A little bit of surveillance might not be so bad though, if its used to catch real criminals like pedophiles, murderers, and people who profit from human trafficking.
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Postby North Stradia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:05 am

Government and the internet are incompatible, as has been proven time and time again.

NOTE: I'm referring to political regulation, not standards of equipment etc...
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Postby Fluffy Coyotes » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:08 am

Batman country wrote:What's your views on internet governance, are you for internet regulation or do you favor virtual self-determination? Discuss.

Your flag is the symbol of a character who needs to take the law into his own hands because he distrusts the system. Odd for you to be bringing up further regulation of the Internet. o.o

Sophian wrote:Personally, I'm opposed to most government surveillance, censorship, and regulation of the internet. A little bit of surveillance might not be so bad though, if its used to catch real criminals like pedophiles, murderers, and people who profit from human trafficking.

This, basically. It depends on whether or not what you're "regulating" is already otherwise legal. If it's illegal, it's not a matter of Internet regulation, it's a matter of countries' regulations on behaviour applying to the Internet. If it's not illegal, the government has no business singling out the Internet as a means where it's off limits.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:09 am

Asking for "virtual self-governance" on the Internet is asking for your e-mail to get clogged up with child porn.
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Postby Chronic Hypersomnia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:28 am

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Postby Zottistan » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:32 am

Against any and all regulations placed on the internet. Outside from regulations individual websites place and enforce only in their websites, of course.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:37 am

I'm fine with International monitoring of public sites, but things like email and personal files shouldn't be monitored. The internet is an international phenomenon, and thus no nation's government should monitor it, but the UN or some other International entity should.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:40 am

Make the internet follow the laws of the outside world. End of story. If you want to change those laws, go ahead.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:42 am

Priory Academy USSR wrote:Make the internet follow the laws of the outside world. End of story. If you want to change those laws, go ahead.

Different countries have different laws. The internet is international.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:45 am

Zottistan wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:Make the internet follow the laws of the outside world. End of story. If you want to change those laws, go ahead.

Different countries have different laws. The internet is international.


I suppose so. There'll have to be a universally agreed upon system. Make an internet version of this, I suppose.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:52 am

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Different countries have different laws. The internet is international.


I suppose so. There'll have to be a universally agreed upon system. Make an internet version of this, I suppose.

Could do that. You'd want to make pretty sure the US signed, though.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:53 am

The Truth and Light wrote:Are you serious? Regulation kills the internet.

Everyone forgets about internet neutrality laws.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:54 am

Zottistan wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
I suppose so. There'll have to be a universally agreed upon system. Make an internet version of this, I suppose.

Could do that. You'd want to make pretty sure the US signed, though.


Yeah. They have an annoying habit of not signing UN treaties. This one comes to mind, although apparently Obama's trying to change that.
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Postby North Stradia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:55 am

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Different countries have different laws. The internet is international.


I suppose so. There'll have to be a universally agreed upon system. Make an internet version of this, I suppose.

Wait till the pro-censorship governments engineer the bill to mandate/tolerate censorship.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:56 am

North Stradia wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
I suppose so. There'll have to be a universally agreed upon system. Make an internet version of this, I suppose.

Wait till the pro-censorship governments engineer the bill to mandate/tolerate censorship.


I know. There's no perfect solution to this.
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Postby North Stradia » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:57 am

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Wait till the pro-censorship governments engineer the bill to mandate/tolerate censorship.


I know. There's no perfect solution to this.

And then the Muslim governments will engineer it to ban criticism of religion. And NSG would be gone. :(
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:58 am

North Stradia wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
I know. There's no perfect solution to this.

And then the Muslim governments will engineer it to ban criticism of religion. And NSG would be gone. :(


No. If push came to shove, somebody important would veto the whole deal and nothing would happen.
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