Atheism is a faith

[Great Nepal]

If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-powerful, he is capable of knowing what everyone will do and what will happen.
If he chooses not to control everyone, which some religions may endorse, then the conclusion is that God is an asshole (because he lets humans die and suffer when he can stop such things from happening) and not worth worshiping.

In Hinduism atleast, deity doesn't have to be omnipotent and as per some sects may not be physical entity but rather universe itself.

[Xathranaar]

That argument was both sexist and racist, good job.

Devaluing civil rights issues by introducing them into a religious debate wasn't entirely smart on your part, buddy.

He didn't. I did. Or actually, I should say you did when you misunderstood my post.

Also, I'm not being racist. I would much prefer it if, today, people were not denied (or granted extra) rights based on gender or race, and am glad that the present is not the past. However, the world would be a lot different, and not necessarily better, if there were no struggle to begin with.

Yeah, I can see how challenging the views of the majority on slavery and racism was wrong. Who were we to call these people irrational reactionary bigots? They were the majority, after all.

[Agymnum]

If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-powerful, he is capable of knowing what everyone will do and what will happen.
If he chooses not to control everyone, which some religions may endorse, then the conclusion is that God is an asshole (because he lets humans die and suffer when he can stop such things from happening) and not worth worshiping.

In Hinduism atleast, deity doesn't have to be omnipotent and as per some sects may not be physical entity but rather universe itself.

I was describing the God of Abrahamic religion.

In polytheistic religion, gods can be flawed. Thus, they may not be assholes; parts of human existence are just out of their control.

[Xathranaar]

That it's assum?

It makes an ass of u & me.

I know, just making fun.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

That's still argumentum ad populum. Just because there are many adherents of religion, does not somehow mean that religion is not illogical.

The idea of believing in a quasi-sky god who controls everyone and created the world - when there is evidence that the world came about naturally through processes which can be proven in nature and via the fossil record - is illogical. It cannot be otherwise.

Who defines what is and isn't logical? I could answer the majority. Or, I could answer God. Or, I could answer that tiny margin of people that doesn't agree with everyone else.

...I think I'll go with the first two, but that's just me. And, you know, six billion other people.

You still haven't got a clue have you... oh dear

[Great Nepal]

And that's still argumentum ad populum, as you're claiming validity of an idea because the majority thinks it is so.

Then who gets to lay claim to the validity? A miniscule group of people that have no idea who started it all and deny all attempts to have it explained to them?

Nope, people who know what they are doing.
Namely scientists who are using accepted scientific method and testing falsifiable and reproducible results.

[Ordya]

If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-powerful, he is capable of knowing what everyone will do and what will happen.
If he chooses not to control everyone, which some religions may endorse, then the conclusion is that God is an asshole (because he lets humans die and suffer when he can stop such things from happening) and not worth worshiping.

In Hinduism atleast, deity doesn't have to be omnipotent and as per some sects may not be physical entity but rather universe itself.

You do realize that after they die they go to eternal paradise?

[Xathranaar]

If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and all-powerful, he is capable of knowing what everyone will do and what will happen.
If he chooses not to control everyone, which some religions may endorse, then the conclusion is that God is an asshole (because he lets humans die and suffer when he can stop such things from happening) and not worth worshiping.

In Hinduism atleast, deity doesn't have to be omnipotent and as per some sects may not be physical entity but rather universe itself.

And that is one of the reasons we love them.

That, and the kickass holidays:

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

That's a silly definition. If we are talking about the same phenomenon within the human of trusting a particular phenomenon, the process is the same whether there is proof for it or not. Same activity, yet you are tryng to divide it into two seperate activities.

Belief and faith are not the same phenomenon.

I'm not saying they are. I'm talking in trusting in something with proof and trusting in something without proof.

[Agymnum]

In Hinduism atleast, deity doesn't have to be omnipotent and as per some sects may not be physical entity but rather universe itself.

You do realize that after they die they go to eternal paradise?

Why do we have to die first to go to paradise?

Who is God to judge whether we are deserving? He's not a human; he obviously doesn't know the pain of being a sapient, mortal being.

[Conservative Idealism]

These rules of logic appear to be your last line of defense. No wonder you don't know God if you have to cross-reference all of your facts with them.

[Grave_n_idle]

And that's still argumentum ad populum, as you're claiming validity of an idea because the majority thinks it is so.

Then who gets to lay claim to the validity? A miniscule group of people that have no idea who started it all and deny all attempts to have it explained to them?

How about ignoring claims to validity - and, instead, evaluate actual evidence?

[Ordya]

You do realize that after they die they go to eternal paradise?

Why do we have to die first to go to paradise?

Who is God to judge whether we are deserving? He's not a human; he obviously doesn't know the pain of being a sapient, mortal being.

Wasn't that the entire reason Jesus was born?

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

And that's still argumentum ad populum, as you're claiming validity of an idea because the majority thinks it is so.

Then who gets to lay claim to the validity? A miniscule group of people that have no idea who started it all and deny all attempts to have it explained to them?

...or a large group of people that have been brainwashed by a teeny-tiny group of people thousand of years ago who pulled all the answers out of their asses?

I'll go with the minuscule group with all the evidence.

Also, to the underlined.

[Agymnum]

These rules of logic appear to be your last line of defense. No wonder you don't know God if you have to cross-reference all of your facts with them.

The rules of logic are our first line of defense.

Without logic, we are nothing but animals incapable of higher thinking.

If God expects us to believe, he better proves he exists. Otherwise, your belief in him and my belief in the Invisible Pink Unicorn (and the Flying Spaghetti Monster) are equal in validity.

[Agymnum]

Why do we have to die first to go to paradise?

Who is God to judge whether we are deserving? He's not a human; he obviously doesn't know the pain of being a sapient, mortal being.

Wasn't that the entire reason Jesus was born?

Jesus was pretty cool, though, chilling with the hoes and the tax collectors.

His dad... I dunno about that. Plenty of cool kids have asshole parents.

[Grave_n_idle]

These rules of logic appear to be your last line of defense. No wonder you don't know God if you have to cross-reference all of your facts with them.

Right. Logic is bad.

*nods*

[The Itating Stoner Bear]

These rules of logic appear to be your last line of defense. No wonder you don't know God if you have to cross-reference all of your facts with them.

We cannot truly know God. The best we can do is know of God. Kataphatic vs. apophatic theology, baby.

[Xathranaar]

These rules of logic appear to be your last line of defense. No wonder you don't know God if you have to cross-reference all of your facts with them.

I loled.

The rules of logic are the first, last, and only line of defense against the worst ideas in the universe.

[Conservative Idealism]

He HAS proven He exists. There is so much evidence out there, and for what? Just so you can roll your eyes and say "Yeah, right?" The divinely inspired words of the Bible, the present-day miracles they keep talking about on 700 Club and stuff like that I don't actually watch, the large number of people who say "Actually, we DO know God exists" by exhibiting faith...all of that means nothing to you?

Of course, I bet you'd say all of that isn't "logical" or something.

[The Itating Stoner Bear]

Without logic, we are nothing but animals incapable of higher thinking.

A speciesistic sentiment. There are other ways of knowing besides reason, and animals are better at some of them than us. Like emotion and intuition, for example.

[Ordya]

Wasn't that the entire reason Jesus was born?

Jesus was pretty cool, though, chilling with the hoes and the tax collectors.

His dad... I dunno about that. Plenty of cool kids have asshole parents.

I personally don't think that the Jewish & Christian gods are the same.

[Conservative Idealism]

Wasn't that the entire reason Jesus was born?

Jesus was pretty cool, though, chilling with the hoes and the tax collectors.

His dad... I dunno about that. Plenty of cool kids have asshole parents.

I laughed at that. Very clever.

[Great Nepal]

And that is one of the reasons we love them.
That, and the kickass holidays:

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Yes, and bonus of that festive is that you get to throw water boll ons filled with coloured water at people. Legally and they will laugh.

You do realize that after they die they go to eternal paradise?

No, after death they are reborn until reaching moksha when they exist endless cycle of birth and rebirth.

These rules of logic appear to be your last line of defense. No wonder you don't know God if you have to cross-reference all of your facts with them.

Nope, we are still using year 7 level science.

[Ordya]

He HAS proven He exists. There is so much evidence out there, and for what? Just so you can roll your eyes and say "Yeah, right?" The divinely inspired words of the Bible, the present-day miracles they keep talking about on 700 Club and stuff like that I don't actually watch, the large number of people who say "Actually, we DO know God exists" by exhibiting faith...all of that means nothing to you?

Of course, I bet you'd say all of that isn't "logical" or something.

You're not helping.